Posted 11 years ago
bohemiangl…
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Yes, it's another Papillon! - in a cool shape. The line drawing is very specific about the date - Oct. 26, 1898. It doesn't mention Candia Papillon as a decor (it mentions "grün cisele"), but it is what it is. I couldn't find a Series II doppelganger for this shape, but we must remember that Papillon was first introduced in 1898. This came from the same guy that sold me the cobalt papillon salt. He has marching orders to find me some more Loetz by the next show in November. :)
Absolutely stunning....
Hi Warren ... very nice ...
Do yo have an opinion on "Papillon" (at least initially =1898) being a reference to the Blue version of this decor ? ... leaves room for the other colours to pre-date that year ...
Steve, I don't think that distinction exists - even if you found other colors of Papillon on earlier forms, that wouldn't mean anything, as forms were used for years (decades, even) after they were initially introduced. All the references I've found indicate that Papillon (all varieties) were introduced in 1898 at the earliest.
Hi Warren ... seen these at all in the new book ? .. thought one of the Moser books suggested they were fairly common in the 1890's ... but it may have been the 1900's ..
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/101476-the-magical?in=user
Cheers
Gary Baldwin is a nice guy, but his book, while full of good info about Moser, has many errors regarding the glass of other houses. He has a Loetz Olympia attributed to Moser, a Loetz rainbow attriubuted to Webb, several Legras Mt Joye attributed to Moser, etc... not to mention the infamous "Royo" myth... that being said, his date of "circa" 1895 on the Loetz Papillon is technically correct... 1898 is circa 1895. I don't know if those shapes are in the new book - (I would be happy to take a look), but even if they are older forms, like I said earlier, nothing would prevent them being used after 1900. The brass fittings would have been installed most likely by a glass refiner from another company (Loetz didn't operate a foundry). The decoration could have been outsourced also. (but I don't know whether this is the case for those gorgeous Peacock vases)
:-) ... will go check the Rainbow ... is fascinating stuff ... and such a joy to see and hold these pieces ...
.... none of the peacocks is marked ... are quite a unique style with the surface inlaid glass threads ... looks to be done "hot" ... threads integrate into the surface ...
In the rainbow photo on p. 152 (plate 211) of Moser Artistic Glass, Edition Two, the piece on the left is Loetz; the piece on the right is probably Harrach, not Webb. Additionally, the vase identified as Loetz in Plate 235 (p. 158) is actually Harrach. But I'm not trying to bust on Baldwin - the good information on Moser is well worth the read, but that book was published 16 years ago, and we have all (including Mr. Baldwin) learned a lot since then.
Thanks Warren
Been back to the book ... have 2 styles of Rainbows half way in between ...
Using the opalescent glass in clear ... will try to find a pic to go with the papillon ... still not sure who made them ...
Superb...again, if you ever feel you have too much glass, bare me in mind...lol
My wife would say I passed that mark some time ago :)