Posted 11 years ago
jericho
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In my attempt to show more similarities between the two (related) companies... here is another set of images to muddy the water. If you remember, there is one of each company in the set- This makes it easy to identify who is "one" of the makers. Then the question is, "is the other the same maker"?... If I have done that, then I have done a good job.
My hope is we can look at decor as just one of the "signatures" of identification. The next post will focus on shape confusion and how similar the two companies designs were.
Line decors
1a Kralik
1b Welz
Confetti
2a Kralik
2b Welz
Snake decor
3a Welz
3b Kralik
Creams decor
4a Welz
4b Kralik
1a Kralik
1b Welz
2a Kralik
2b Welz
3a Welz
3b Welz
4a Welz
4b Kralik
Good guesses!
1a kralik
1b welz
2a kralik
2b welz
3a welz
3b kralik
4a welz
4b kralik
Jericho can I answer it in a different way? I'm taking a huge leap here because I've only been collecting for a few months and as yet have not found a reference book that I feel would help me in my research....so pls don't laugh at me or make fun ppl because I'm a virgin of the purest in this...!... :)
Assuming that you're saying they are either different or the same maker I'm making my comments on that basis. So no maker just if I believe they are the same or different...
1a & b are different makers. Surely because the colour continues through the glass so assume clear casing in b and the pattern of the stripes are different. I'm stabing a guess at Kralik for b..no idea on a.
2a I think is Kralik because I have one similar, I wont comment on 2b because I cannot read the label and even if I could, how would I know it's original...I'm really keen to learn who made this as I have a similar applied technique, I'm also keen to learn what this term is....
3 I think could possibly be the same maker...who knows
4 from my ignorant eye I can only see 4a & b may also possibly being the same maker. That yellow/lemon looks like they made it on the same day if not hour...but of course I'm going to be wrong...and same with the is it amethyst?
1a: kralik based on shape, this shape comes in marquetry and flame decors.
1b: welz based on shape of many tango pieces, I'm sure you have seen this shape before searching for "tango"
2a: the loopy handles make it kralik (because everyone in Bohemia did these speckled-type pieces) it's also in a butler brothers catalog so "guilty by association" because it's next to other kraliks
2b this is a generic shape but the label says FWK. It is documented in the glassmarken lexicon wich I saw with my own eyes in the research library at the MAK in Vienna. That label is incredibly consistent - even more than the arched "kralik" Czechoslovakia mark
3a: is the line pattern or "pleat decor". It comes in may welz color combinations so look for them, Thomas has a bunch
3b is a similar technique but this pattern is consistent with kraliks that are signed, also the base color of kraliks are more "clam broth"
4a: is marked with the sticker FWK and it shows the glass was "pleated"
4b is a guess but this geometric stacking indicates kralik as well as the semi-opache base color (look at my series on kralik shapes, there is a blue flame piece in this base under "tear drop) shapes)
But look, they both used the same exact glass on these two... Remember glass bits and colors are just supplied not a perfect indicator of maker. My advice is look at many refference points... The more matches you get the more sure you can become. Pleasure to meet you, have fun on this CW, it's an incredible resource!
Very true, honestly the best way is to buy 1000 pieces of Czech glass, then the research makes more sense, Leah is correct when comparing decors like tango untill you have a set of 30 tango pieces then it becomes easier because you have more facts. In attribution the more facts the better, I use a system that considers these things:
-Mark
-Decor
-glass types used
-technical application of glass decor
-shape
-Features (glass production: weight, thickness, foot type, rim finish etc...)
-Ping (my favorite)
-opinion
The more matches you can make from one piece to another the more sure you can know they are related to manufacturer, region or time period