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    Posted 11 years ago

    Chrisnp
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    In 1888 the Italian government instituted a commission to develop a smokeless-powder rifle for the army. In 1890 the commission finally chose a rifle developed by the Turin Army Arsenals’ chief technician Salvatore Carcano. It used an en bloc magazine system developed by an Austrian, Fernadad Mannlicher. The Model 1891 would replace the old Italian Vetterli-Vitali rifle, and the basic design would be manufactured in various models through WWII, thus serving the Italians in both world wars, as well as being in use by various armies from Japan and Finland in the 30s and 40s to Tunisia and Algeria in the 50s and 60s.

    My Model 1891 was built at the Terni Arsenal in 1917. The bayonet and bandoleer shown with it are Italian issue, and will be posted separately. The sling on my Carcano isn’t Italian, but it’s pretty cool and appropriate for this rifle. Among the countries that used Carcanos after WWI were the Bulgarians. The problem is they also used Mosin-Nagants, Austrian Mannlichers, and whatever else they could get their hands on. So, the Bulgarians created this multi-purpose sling. Set the leather tabs one way and they fit a wide sling swivel like the ’91 Carcano. Turn them around and they fit narrower sling swivels. Open them up and they can slide through Russan Nagant stocks. WWI issue Italian slings are rare, and WWII issue Italian slings are too narrow – until I get a WWI sling, I’m very happy with this one.

    Ammo: While other countries like France and Germany developed 8mm rifles, Italy was one of the countries that took a different road, choosing a 6.5mm round, largely due to the influence of Major Antonio Benedetti, Secretary of the commission and a big advocate of small bore cartridges - less weight, less recoil, flatter trajectory etc., plus six rounds in the magazine rather than five. Of course the big bore/small bore argument continues today. The Italian 6.5x52 service cartridge was a 162 grain FMJ round nose with a velocity of 2296 fps. Norma makes a nice 155 gr jacketed round nose (shown here) that I’ve had decent luck with. I’ve also loaded some 120 gr spire points backed by 31 grains of IMR 4895, but no range data available.

    WARNING: Load data is provided for information only. Many vintage firearms are unsafe to shoot and I do not advise use of this load data for other firearms since I do not know the specific firearm that may be involved or its condition.

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    Comments

    1. fortapache fortapache, 11 years ago
      Another great history piece. Is that a stripper clip or does it go directly into the rifle?
    2. Chrisnp Chrisnp, 11 years ago
      Thanks for your interest and the "love" fortapache. It's an en bloc style clip, so the whole clip goes into the rifle and after the last round is chambered the empty clip drops out the bottom
    3. blunderbuss2 blunderbuss2, 11 years ago
      Sorry I'm late to the party Chrisnp. I've gotten to where I just fast scroll CW every few days because if there are 3 pages to scroll, at least 2 pages have nothing to do with collectors & then we have the immature fighting to see how much they can poste, as if it's a status symbol to show the most junk. I have no desire to know what people have in their kitchen junk drawer or what they couldn't sell at their last garage sale.
      Another good, well researched poste Chris & informative. Other than glass, "what is this" and posts by you, PW, Apache, Scott & a few others, I wouldn't even bother to scan CW anymore. Thanks for keeping the "Collectors" in CW. I miss AR(?) and his good stuff. It's a shame, but a lot of true collectors have fallen to the way-side in disgust obviously.
    4. fortapache fortapache, 11 years ago
      I had a feeling that was what an en bloc clip was but wasn't quite sure. In the meantime I'll hold off on depression glass but I have plenty of other genuine collectibles to post.
    5. blunderbuss2 blunderbuss2, 11 years ago

      Ask Chris what the green covers for epaulets on a 2nd Armored U.S. Army (1950s) uniform indicate. The soldier had a PUC (Presidential Unit Citation) ribbon and I could find no record of the 2nd Armored getting it specifically the 57th Tank Battalion.
      Question from kevin.
    6. Chrisnp Chrisnp, 11 years ago
      Hi Blunder, which show and tell item? I can't find the one you are referring to in the above post. Green cloth around an epaulet sounds like combat leader's tabs to me but w/o seeing the picture I can't be sure.
    7. Chrisnp Chrisnp, 11 years ago
      Oh, I found the question on Kevin's Facebook page. I do wish he was still posting here.
    8. Chrisnp Chrisnp, 11 years ago
      Things can get spotty here, blunder. Recently my favorite post has been Jayblade's trench art mess kit.

      Thanks for the love tom61375, blunder, pw-collector, Roycroftbooksfromme1, kerry10456, aghcollect, Manikin and fortapache.
    9. blunderbuss2 blunderbuss2, 11 years ago
      Yeah. I really miss his interesting posts too. Watching this "20% chance of rain" pouring all morning.
    10. blunderbuss2 blunderbuss2, 11 years ago
      That mess kit was top notch alright. Sure beats Tupperware!

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