Posted 14 years ago
Agram.m
(762 items)
This wonderful pendant looks like lace. It's made of rose gold with little silver ornaments and built up in 3 sections. There are six larger rose cut diamonds and a lot of very tiny ones. As you can see on the last picture there are two hinges and three parts and I'v put the pendant on a velvet strap.
When I placed this pendant already two years ago on Collectorsweekly I did'nt know what origin, the name and so on. But this has changed nowadays. Therefore I will give you more details of this beautiful pendant.
The name of this beautiful pendant is: Croix papillon provençale en or argent et diamants regional .
Period: ca. the end of the 18th century! In gold with silver details and Rose cut dimamonds. This pendant is typically France from the late 18th till mid-19th century. Although these type of jewelry are "born" as pendant, many times changed in brooches or divided in smaller pendants.It was (and is) not uncommon with certain pieces of jewelry to be cut in two, three or even more pieces to avoid any hassle over an heritage But of course I'm happy that my pendant is in original state, don't you agree??
Thanks Vianci for your comment. I'am fond of antique jewellery just as you, and mostly of enamelled items as, for example your stunning ring!
Please is there anybody who could tell me more about the time period and origin of this brooch?
Hi Again, Very pretty necklace. It is certainly made in the Georgian Style with the foil backed stones and deep cup settings. I am sure you can appreciate it is difficult to give definitive answers for pieces like this from photographs as there are some very good reproductions around. I would get it checked out by a jewelry expert in person if I was you as it could be very early 1800s it has a look of the portuguese or spanish jewelry about that was made in this era. I hope that info helps!! Best Wishes Kitty
Hi Kitty, what a quick reaction you have on my necklace. I noticed that this necklace has probably worn on a velvet ribbon. But it is a pitty that I cannot get such a ribbon. The end must be very tiny to pass the links for it. The person whoch selled it to me told me that it came out of France which is not so far from my native country. The greatest difficulty here is to get a juwelry expert who is specialised in antique jewelry and can give an honest and a professionel argumented answer. But anyway thanks a lot. It is again a little step further in the solution of the age and past from this necklace.
Hi there, thanks for your reply. You could always try emailing one of the big auction houses. Both Christies and Bonhams in the UK will provide an expert opinion and an auction estimate free of charge. They have been most helpful to me in the past and there is no commitment to sell your item. If you visit their websites it does advise how to get an auction estimate or valuation by emailing the relevant specialist. It would be great if you could know for certain and you may be pleasantly surprised if it is an 18th century or early 19th century piece. Good Luck & Best Wishes!! Kitty
Kitty, you are very helpfull and kind to reply so fast and with a lot of knowledge. Thanks a lot and perhaps I can inform you in the near future what the answer is from an expert!
Good luck with your investigations!! Kitty
Hello Agram (Marga uit Veendam????)
You could go to Klaas Martijn Akkerman in Amsterdam, or to Marjan Sterk, also in Amsterdam (Nieuwe Spiegelstraat).
They will be able to help you!
Best regards
Karen.
Hello Karin,
Thanks for your respons. But I'm not Marga uit Veendam I'm afraid. And I am grateful for your suggestion to go to Akkerman or Sterk. But I also think this valuation will cost quite a lot.
Thanks I'll hope to hear from you, kind regards,
Sorry, I just noticed you're from Helmond. Must be another Marga.
I could offer you my help : I worked for Marjan Sterk for 10 years and it would not be a problem for me to show the pendant to her or to her assistant/goldsmith. You can contact me via E-mail if you like?
Best regards
Karen.
I would love to email you and it will be stupid but how can I get your email adress Karin? I cannot find your profile here. Please tell me
It looks like a girdle ornament, sewn on to the dresses. Hope you don't mind me saying, but film stars had pieces made especially for the set. and it could be one of those. It is so clean looking - no impurities - and the stones are table, not rosecut, you say. Are the tables big? Rosecuts weren't the only type of stones back in the 1800's, i have heard, but the table cuts had a larger surface area. I don't think it would take any value away from it - I think it may be 1920's, 1940's
Dear Terilaptophead,
I think to know now what it is: namelijk a so called Pendant a la Jeanette.
Made in the last of the 18th beginnen 19th century. So it is much older than you think and made in Belgian or Spain. I'v seen already photograph's from some identical juwels. I'v cleaned it mysel on a normal way with a towel. And yes in this time period table cut diamonds were also used in jewels especailly in Spain. The diamonds are not so big but I'm content with this beautyful jewel!
I wear it myself (also on special occasions) with a black velvet ribbon as they used too in those past times. Thanks for your interest.
thats good ! mystery solved.
oh.. a slight misunderstanding. I wasn't asking whether the diamonds are big, but whether the tables of them are larger than modern cut ones.
Yes this flat form is not comparible with modern cut ones.
I immediately thought 'French' when I saw the piece. It is fun to daydream what this could have been attached to, or what beautiful dress it accessorized!
but I suppose you solved the mystery, and it isn't french! just read a little deeper into other comments...
Dear fellow collectors, because now I know more details about my pendant I made new photographs and replaced this Pendant à la Jeanette again to hear your comments.
Thanks mustangtony for loving my pendant!
What a very nice compliment and thanks for loving all my jewels.
LOVELY!!! I love your collection.
I love the detail of the scroll work...WOW nice piece..thanks for sharing...
Lee
Moonstonelover21 thanks for loving and your compliment.
Dear collectors, please take a look on the link:
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/articles/treasures-of-the-incomparable-pforzheim-jewelry-museum/
an article about my visit to the El Dorado for jewelry collectors; The Schmuckmuseum Pforzheim.
This jewel I admired in the Pforzheim Schmuckmuseum, the only jewelry museum in the world. It's a so called Croix de la Jeanette (France-Belgium) and it's made of rose gold and silver and table cut diamonds. It was made in the end of the 18th century and from example I'm the lucky owner. I can advise to visit this museum and you can read more about it in the article I wrote about my visit:
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/articles/treasures-of-the-incomparable-pforzheim-jewelry-museum/
Birdie thanks for the compliment
valentino97 and Stillwater thank you both very much for loving
Thank you everyone for the loving and attention for this indeed very old jewelry!
It looks so delicate!
AmberRose, thanks for your comment and here you also right it's delicate but one of my most precious and oldest pieces. It's from the 18th century and I say the same in the Pforzheim Museum in Germany!
bratjdd thanks for loving and interest
Please take another look at this beautiful Georgian pendant. In my view, there looked too little jewelry lovers and collectors, it's a museum piece.
Valentino97 thanks for your looking at this indeed museum piece. I saw such a piece myself on my visit to the Pforzheim Museum in Germany and made an article about this visit published here on CW http://www.collectorsweekly.com/articles/treasures-of-the-incomparable-pforzheim-jewelry-museum/
The lucky ladies worn it as a pendant on a black velvet ribbon what was tied in the neck as it was also common in that period.
Gorgeous piece
VanessaT thanks for loving and your real friendly comment
BelleEpoque and freiheit thank you both for loving.
Croix à la jeannette means Jeannette cross, it's not really a pendant. These crosses were made in Belgium but also worn in the north of France as far as Normandy and they are still found there today. They are generally made in silver backed with gold (so as not to blacken clothing) and were indeed often worn on velvet ribbons. If you search bijoux regionaux on google you should find my website (.fr) which lists in detail French regional jewellery and also shows these crosses. Marc.
Thank you very much Marc for your interesting comment and of course I will look at your site. hope to meet you here again!
French-jewellery-fan, I looked at your site, very,very interesting. i hope you can tell me more about me bijoux Fer de Berlin, de Limoges et de Bresse. You can all find them on my CW site? Please take a look I still have so many questions!
idcloisonne, hi, thanks for loving and thinking with me ! No, as mentioned in the introduction, and yesterday was written here by French-jewellery - fan, this is a Belgian / French cross original consists of three parts which can be seen here. It is true that these parts were often shared between family members and such there be three jewelry made ??.. But if you want to share this interesting French site about French jewelry where you also can see this particular cross, please see link:
the link: http://www.bijouxregionaux.fr/fr/contenu.php?idcontenu=58
idcloisonne you'r welcome and again also thanks for the wonderful site of French-jewellery-fan!
I wasn't sure if I could give a website address without it being censored which is why I coded it. Here is a link to the page that shows several crosses similar to yours.
http://www.bijouxregionaux.fr/fr/contenu.php?idcontenu=16
Here's a link to the website of a Belgian dealer who often has similar crosses for sale http://www.adin.be/fr/2ndpage.asp?dtn=08326-0848&titel=Pre-victorian%20belgian%20gold%20diamond%20%E0%20la%20jeannette%20pendant%20(ca.1780)
This site sells jewellery at rather higher prices than others and has a tendency to add 50 to 100 years to the age of their jewellery. The link is however interesting in that they claim that the cross featured was in fact broken up by the owners and reconstructed by the jewellers.
I fear I have too little time to look at your other questions. My internet site is the work in progress of the book that many have asked me to write and which I have decided to publish as a website instead so that I can constantly update, embellish and correct it. It is far from finished but it shares some of my collection and some of what I've learnt over more than 30 years collecting and dealing in jewellery. The site is like the FAQ of many websites : I ask that internauts try and find the answer to their questions themselves as my time is best spent adding to the site (and having a life) rather than responding to all the queries I get. Good luck. Marc
Hi Agram! I'd like your opinion on a piece I posted. I believe maybe it was part of a cross like yours... what do you think? Thanks and happy holidays.
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/143458-georgian-gold-and-diamond-floral-brooch