Posted 10 years ago
jatslo
(10 items)
Having difficulty dating these inventory... It's "CAN47" or "CAN 47" pattern. Can anyone here date this for me? I found Hallmark's on nine plates to two large bowls, in which I added two pictures. Says: "The Hallmark of Quality; Canonsburg; Warranted 22 kt. gold; Mary Ann - 6." CAN 47 is what I found on Replacements [dot] com.
It might help if you posted a photo of the reverse.
Nothing on the reverse; what I don't know, is the date of manufacture. I will look at some other pieces for manufacturer hallmarks too:
"CANONSBURG - CAN 47 PATTERN"
MANUFACTURE STATUS: DISCONTINUED
FEATURES: GORGEOUS PINK AND WHITE FLORAL SPRAYS ON THE RIM AND CENTER, WITH 22 KARAT GOLD TRIM. SCALLOPED EDGE.
THE CANONSBURG CHINA COMPANY (1901 - 1976) WAS FORMED IN 1901. IN 1909 THE COMPANY WAS PURCHASED BY JOHN GEORGE, BROTHER OF THE WELL KNOWN W.S. GEORGE AND WAS CALLED THE CANONSBURG POTTERY COMPANY. IN 1975, THE PRODUCTION PLANT WAS DAMAGED BY FIRE AND SOLD IN 1976.
Okay. well sometimes if you can't find the pattern name to help with dating, then the hallmark can be a clue to era, that's assuming that company's hallmarks are somewhere to be found. Without either, it's going to be tough. Sometimes there are manufacturer catalogs, sometimes company records, sometimes someone is a collector although collectors usually go for the more well known names. W.S. George could be a lead, but pretty tenuous. I guess it's all in how determined you are to find out. Good luck!
Even more tenuous: pink and grey was a very popular combination in the 50s, which is what that pattern suggests to me, 50s era.
Someone told me that "47" in the Pattern Name: "CAN 47" means 1947, but I can neither confirm or deny this as being true. Also, the date is important, because I'm trying to determine its value for resell; this is assuming that older is rarer and worth more. So you can see why accurately dating a product is important.
I tend to believe that the "47" is not the year; I hope I can date this material to between 1930 and 1942 as then I could state they were made during the Great Depression. The 1950's sound about right, but these pieces appear to be older, and more rare than other patterns that I'm finding.
Anyway, I have about 90 pieces that I need to sell as soon as I can definitively find out exactly what they are.
Thanks for all the help
Not much help, I'm afraid, and take it for what it's worth. Again, good luck!
Having difficulty dating these inventory... It's "CAN47" or "CAN 47" pattern. Can anyone here date this for me? I found Hallmark's on nine plates to two large bowls, in which I added two pictures. Says: "The Hallmark of Quality; Canonsburg; Warranted 22 kt. gold; Mary Ann - 6." CAN 47 is what I found on Replacements [dot] com.
The CAN47 is probably from Replacements, when they don't have a pattern name, they just use the first three letters of the maker and the number comes from the next unidentified pattern, hence CAN47.
Canonsburg China was started by John George who was related to W.S. George, the business stayed in the family until the mid-70s. There may be a chance that since these companies were fairly big and important in a small place that's even smaller now, they may have a museum or historian who can help you out. Shoot an email out to them and ask, can't hurt.
http://www.canonsburgboro.com/
The Pattern is "Mary Ann." May I assume that the "6" is what identifies this piece as a bowl?
Okay, deciphering and sort of pulling bits and pieces together that may not belong together from this article, it seems possible that the pattern you own is actually named MaryAnn, after one of George's daughters, and judging from the patterns on the back of the items shown, possibly produced in the 50s, as I had guessed earlier. Later hallmarks are different.
http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mimikiwi/Canonsburg%20pottery/potteries.html
Now, those are just wild guesses since two pattern books I looked at just called the pattern the same as you saw on Replacements, CAN47, and you would think they'd know. But this article comes from notes from a man who worked at the pottery.
Seems I'm the only person in recorded history with "Mary Ann - 6" painted in 22 kt. Gold, because I can find none others like them. I did order at least one book from the library that's dated 2000. I'm curious who is citing who, Replacements [dot] com or the other way around. I'll assume that Replacements [dot] com is referencing something and not citing them as the source; that's a best guess, that is.
I think you're right, and I was going to correct that but forgot. I don't think it matters, though. Someone somewhere catalogued the patterns and assigned numbers. I see your pattern in two books listed at CAN47. But if you read the article I sent you and look at the pictures, you will see how I came to my conclusion.
Mary Ann is the Daughter of which brother? How do you know that?
Oh and there are pieces of your pattern available on eBay from one dealer who is piecing a set out, you can see the values for yourself. This dealer doesn't mention anything about the name MaryAnn. So you may be right as to your set being unique.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1947-Antique-Porcelain-Berry-Bowl-Pattern-CAN47-by-the-Canonsburg-Pottery-Co-/181772543653?_trksid=p2054897.l4275
That's me piecing a set out. I have 90 pieces in all, and will be mentioning "Mary Ann- 6" at least 60 more times.
Oh, I thought you were doing this research in order to value your set? So if you are selling your pieces then the point is moot. Good luck with your sales.
I'm doing this research to add value to this set by effectively marketing inventory with accurate information, and also cataloging this research online as Replacements [dot] com and so many other websites do. Right now: Only Collector's Weekly and Then & Now Findings have any mention of "Mary Ann - 6" and it's correlation to CAN47 a.k.a. CAN 47.
I'm asking you to contribute significant historical value, so the next person with this pattern can more easily determine what? Date of Manufacture? What Else?
I know of at least one other set in existence, and we now know more than they do. I'll do a "In-text Citation" for Collectors Weekly, as well. Permanently etched in the Hall of Fame. Perhaps some day someone will write about us in his or her book about Antique China; praising us for doing the work for future researchers.
I found this thread many months ago because I had just purchased a set of Mary Ann china and was trying to find out more about it.
I appreciate the time you have all taken to write up what you know about it, thank you. It is certainly beautiful china.
Debbie