Posted 14 years ago
cocacolama…
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Im asking for any help on this one.Its not a print and in great shape.Red and black lettering reads...REGULAR SAINT LOUIS AND NEW ORLEANS PACKET.IN CONNECTION WITH ALL ROADS TERMINATING AT ST. LOUIS AND ILLINOIS CENTRAL R.R. FROM CAIRO
FOR MEMPHIS & NEW ORLEANS.GLADIATOR.JOHN KLINEFELTER,MASTER / H.A. DOHRMAN,CLERK.
FOR FREIGHT OR PASSAGE,APPLY ON BOARD OR TO AGENT.
WILL LEAVE ON WEDNESDAY THE 17TH INST., AT 4 O'CLOCK PM.
In small print it says,MO.REPUBLICAN PRINT, ST.LOUIS
Measures: 9" x 12".
Still wanting to find out anything I can on this.Anybody?Anybody?Thanks
nice piece i would say from justing looking at the pic its the real deal. the words tells the rest of the story
Add some photos out of the frame-- the red lettering for "Wednesday" and other "filled in areas" looks odd to me. It looks like it was part of the printing and not something I would expect to see.
What are the nail looking items visible along the edges?
scottvez,your right.The red writting dont look like a pen did it.Has the same look as the rest of writting.I did find out the printer was a news paper printer.I will get pictures out of frame a/s/a/p.Thanks
Thank you vanskyock24
You have a wonderful piece of Civil War history since the steamboat "Gladiator" served the war effort.
This is a preview of the book "Tinclads in the Civil War..." by Myron Smith:
http://books.google.com/books?id=lmWLppXvSVoC&lpg=PA72&dq=klinefelter%20AND%20gladiator&pg=PA72#v=onepage&q=klinefelter%20AND%20gladiator&f=false
Captain John Simpson Klinefelter became master in 1858. The steamboat sunk on the Mississippi River on August 14, 1864.
http://digicoll.library.wisc.edu/WebZ/initialize?sessionid=0:javascript=true:dbchoice=1:active=1:entityCurrentPage=Search1:dbname=LaCrosseSteamboat:style=LaCrosseSteamboat:next=NEXTCMD%7FQUERY?&context;:term=LaCrosseSteamboat.steam06937.bib:index=an%3A:fmtclass=multifullnf:bad=error/badsearch.html:entitytoprecno=1:entitycurrecno=1:entitytempjds=TRUE:numrecs=12:next=NEXTCMD%7FFETCH?&context;:recno=1:resultset=1:format=F:next=html/nffull.html:bad=error/badfetch.html:entityresultsrecno=1%7F%7F
and
http://www.nytimes.com/1864/08/17/news/steamboat-sunk-on-the-mississippi.html
More info from the Google book "History of Saint Louis City and County"
http://books.google.com/books?id=RIg6AQAAIAAJ&lpg=PA399&ots=mJNXIIl3sZ&dq=%22john%20klinefelter%22%20AND%20gladiator&pg=PA428#v=onepage&q=gladiator&f=false
and
http://books.google.com/books?id=0o8QAAAAYAAJ&dq=steamboat%20gladiator&pg=PA202#v=onepage&q=steamboat%20gladiator&f=false
Search for Klinefelter AND Gladiator in Google books and you will come up with more very interesting information related to the "Gladiator."
Since the "filled in portion" is printed like the rest of the writing, I would date this well after the Civil War.
Civil War era printers didn't have this type of font.
This was probably made as some type of commemorative or souvenir item.
Scott
Some info on the St. Louis and New Orleans Packet Company:
http://books.google.com/books?id=jqXVAAAAMAAJ&dq=%22St.%20Louis%20and%20New%20Orleans%20Packet%22&pg=PA383#v=onepage&q=%22St.%20Louis%20and%20New%20Orleans%20Packet%22&f=false
http://lincoln.lib.niu.edu/cgi-bin/philologic/getobject.pl?c.4554:58.lincoln
Thank you very much solver.That gives me more to work with.Do you think the card I have is old?Worth looking into????Or is scottves right?Thanks again.
well dont bank to much on scottves his knowlege is really limited. like i said before and solver to i would say its legit
I won't get into an argument with van.
Take a look at what I collect/ have provided information on in the past-- this is an area that I know and have collected for many years.
Take it out of the frame and post pictures of the back and front to show the whole item. Check to see if it is press printed.
Look at the totality of the evidence-- if something doesn't fit or make sense, then your item is probably not original.
Take it to a local antique dealer and have them examine it.
Look at the information provided by posters:
- links to the history of the boat and an "its real comment"
- Discussion of the attributes of the sign and things that are not consistent
Investigate and judge for yourself.
Good luck,
Scott
cocacolaman-- when you have time post some additional photos out of the frame. Shots of the front and back will be helpful.
Scott
scottves,heres some more pics.The paper this is on is thick and textured.Almost can see strands on the edges.Very hard to see through.I really dont think its fake.I dont think the frame is original.This was picked out of a thrift shop that ive found lots of goodies at.
What is printed at the bottom right edge in the white margin?
cocacolaman-- I was thinking the opposite. To me, it looks even more like a later piece out of the frame.
Add a photo of the back if you can.
The thicker paper you describe would also be more indicative of 20th century than 19th.
Bottom right corner says, AGENT. And in the white it says MO.REPUBLICAN PRINT.Thanks for your time guys but, this is just something I need to take to somebody who can see it in person.To hard to tell from Pics.
Wish I had thought of that.
I went back to UW La Cross and looked at photo of card.I dont see any differance between the two .Mine says everything it says to the T.What am I not getting?
coca yea what does it say in the right hand corner under the black line
Still sticking with your GUESS "its real" "its legit" (Post 2/ 9)??
Wish I had thought of that.
Sorry guys.I didnt want to get anybody upset.I will have it checked out and let you know if its the real deal.Thanks again
I am not upset-- I'd encourage you to get it confirmed.
You could send some jpgs to an auction house and they would probably tell you the same thing after seeing the photographs.
For the record, everyone, I never spoke to the authenticity of this ephemera. If my post was confusing, thus misinterpreted, I apologize. I was providing the history ONLY, which is so interesting.
As stated, an "expert" determination would be impossible without a physical examination, out of the frame.
After many hours searching for this I finally found it.Its in the University of Wisconson-La Crosse Murphy,Special collections.Identifier .Neg 5466.Tells the whole story and proves this is real.Thanks for all your comments and feel free to leave more.
THANK YOU SOLVER