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This is a Solingen, but that is the only information I have. I am trying to find out when it may be made. I was told it was from World War 1, but I am not sure.
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Solingen is a cityinGermany that is famous for knife / cutlery making.
Overall Size? Blade length? Handle made of?
overall size is 12.5 inches, blade is 7 3/4 inches, handle is made of wood.
Solingen was very heavily bombed during WWII and many records were lost. I have had a number of knives from there and was able to trace them. Unfortunately the name Solingen alone doesn't mean much. To avoid embargo's false shipping points were set up in other countries. Is there an actual makers mark or only the word Solingen? I think you will have better luck researching this on knife collector sites. Solengen has an interesting history which you can find online.
its pre ww11. maybe as early as ww1.. researching german knives is a real challenge. that makers mark can be easily traced to that time period I believe. its in high demand when it comes for sell.
web search german knife makers marks and youll see it . I haven't looked for it myself, but ive seen it.
lots of other vintage Solingen knives are much harder to track down their exact age even within 10-15 yrs. edge brand knives can be any where from ww11 to 1970 or newer I believe. its a crap shoot aging them. so are the ERN knives, decoras and lots of others. these were produced at times when the war had torn Germany a part. ive actually starting looking for different details in my items that help distinguish their age. but that's not important as far as this knife of yours is concerned. its nearly 100 yrs old thanks for posting it. I hope ive been able to help. theres a chance I might be wrong on its age. let us know what you find.
https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTc3YskKgfx1rQojf6YrDJVKx9UI8gNaLex-AXqvIzcpXy827mr
noy sure if I posted this link correctly, but it may help your search.
I didn't, but this is an article posted on collectors weekly. says a fella only seen 2 swords with this makers mark made in the 1860s. a few of his other pics show its a knife cut down like yours , but its had an antler handle added.
The fact that the fuller on your blade (please do not call it a "blood groove")extends off the tip indicates that it is a cut-down sword, so you search can be confined to German sword-makers. During both World Wars many countries cut down old swords to fill the demand for fighting knives for the troops. Swords were also cut down privately during and after the war to make practical knives for everyday use. Often the governments who commissioned war materiel ordered maker NOT to include their private marks and only advanced researchers can determine from other clues which company made a particular item. I've searched several databases containing tens of thousands of marks classified by shape and character and found nothing that correspond to your mark; it's simply too generic. Good luck.
did a search for german sword makers mark of a circle containing an arrow pointing up.
the list of proof marks of arrows and circles only had 1 listed. it didn't show the pic or say if the arrow was actually inside the circle. it only states an arrow and a circle.. again, there is only 1 listed under that description. it says Gebr.Noelle is the makers mark. I further researched this name. it came to be Gerao : Gebr. Rauh Gmbh.. when I researched this name, it shows a title of a manuscript . it a list of german cutlers compiled from 1870 to 1940 , I believe it was 1940. any way.. all the info posted in that manuscript is in the german language. you might not be able to narrow it down any more than that.
if you can read german, you might get a better idea of its actual age in that manuscript.
I spent several hrs on this trying to help, and youre actually no better off than when we started. except for perhaps the makers name... Gebr. Noelle, the yrs are correct for this maker, but its not written in stone that is actually his makers mark, but since its the only 1 was listed with an arrow and a circle, id almost bet on it.
I never tried searching for an arrow inside an oval... you might try that.. ive had enough.. lo
The Noelle mark is a horizontal arrow with a small circle, about as wide as the tip of the arrow, superimposed on the shaft, not encircling the entire arrow. And the mark here is an ellipse.
nice work , ron
That's a U.S. WW2 cut-down sword knife, known as San Antonio Iron Works knives, the arrow is the mark of Solingen bladesmith F.Dick, so it was a Civil War sword by that maker at a point and then transformed into a knife like many other swords at the begening of WW2.
nice job ...oJJRo,