Posted 8 years ago
kyratango
(439 items)
THE FRONT VIEWS ARE ON INDIVIDUAL POSTS, SEEN IN COLLECTION:
Mysterious maker's mark: "etruscan urn". | kyratango | Collectors Weekly
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/user/kyratango/mysterious-makers-mark-etruscan-urn
This mark, which I call etruscan urn, shows evolution, but always on 900 or 925 silver paste jewellery.
Either stamped on the same punch or separate, as shown in pics.
All the pieces I saw date between 1880 and 1910'.
This maker was prolific and he sometimes produced same models than Knoll and Pregizer:
The monkeys brooch, leaves, butterflies.
Paris1925 and Katherine thought it was the French amphora hallmark:
French Hallmarks - Online Encyclopedia of Silver Marks, Hallmarks & Makers' Marks
http://www.925-1000.com/Ffrench_marks2.html
But this mark, from 1958 to present, is only for 999 pure silver coins or bullions and only struck in Paris!
Have you pulled out all your hair yet? LOL
Haha Bonnie! Not yet, only half bald ;-P
If I could speak/write German, I'd explore Jewellery forums in Deutschland and Austria...
I'm sure there is some documentation there...
My search with German keywords gave...NADA!
I still think it looks a bit like a royal orb with a crown shape on top....
Actually, looking at the third pic I can see an old ship head-on with a central mast and two sails billowing out to the sides! It's a bit like the old ink-blot test, isn't it?
Lol Pebble, wondering what Bb2 would see in the ink blot... ;-))
We already had a squid, a spindle, a flaming pot, a cactus in pot... will add the crowned orb and the old ship, thank you!
I'm sure you'll get to the bottom of this perplexing mark, I have every faith that this mystery will be solved.
:DDDDD that urn again
Kyra, I speak german... if you need some help
Jean, thanks for your faith ;-) I hope it will!
Oh, Lentilka, you're adorable!
Agram proposed too her help, if any of you could explore German jewelery forums and submit my pics, with translation of my write up for identification, I'm sure there is someone there who has informations (I'm convinced this maker is from Germany...)
I can translate your identificaton and post it and then translate back what they say, and translate back your words. Is there a german forum where you are especially interested to post it?
Lentilka, I don't know any forum in German :-/
And google translators give funny surrealist translations, so my try was short ended, lol!
I submitted some months ago on a Belgian/French antique collectors and sellers site with still no answer...
Thank you so much for your help, I promise you a head place on the wall of fame ;-))
:D You guys helped me numerous times, you are on my wall of fame.
I made a post here:
http://www.goldseiten-forum.com/thread/20913-wer-kennt-diesen-silber-schmuck-hersteller/
Waiting for an another registration until its approved.
Lentilka... in one word... WUNDERBAR!
Already a question :-D
Don't worry for translation of the answers, I can better or less understand, just not able to write or speak (3 years of learning as 2nd langage at school...)!
They may want to see front of the pieces too, of course you can use my pics :-)
gerne :)
I take a good look in books on German Websites but there is no (Crown)Reichskrone, Sun or (half moon) Halbmond - the German Stamp Act of 1884 so I think this jewelry is not made in Germany. I've seen this stamp before but I cannot remember where, the old age I think. I keep looking for it!
Thanks Marga for your time :-)
Is the stamp act book a register of the maker's marks?
Could you try with amphora, or antique vase/urn symbols?
Don't give up kyratango, and I have a feeling you will not :)
I can't get it off my mind that the mark looks like something from the cyrillic alphabet.
Kyratango I have emailed you some links to jewelry with this mark.
Elisabethan, thanks for your support, and links in E-Mail! (yes, the mark again...!)
Wouldn't it be wonderful if Lentilka or Marga can get an answer for you Pascale after all this time........we are all keeping our fingers crossed for sure!!
I also hope you find an answer soon. This maker seams to have been very productive and because of that it's amazing that it's so hard to find out more. There must be an answer out there for such a productive maker.
I researched this mark too, as I had a silver Belle Epoque style pendant with the same markings. I really wonder if it could be a contemporary creation trying to pass as antique. It's just very odd that this maker was so prolific.
Also, a seller of 'antique' jewellery was selling an item with this mark some time ago. I started buying from this seller twelve years ago and still wonder if the Georgian ring they sold me is authentic. They often list jewellery 'in the style of', mixed with their antique listings, so you have to read their descriptions carefully. Since then, I've often wondered how clear the split between their genuine antiques and the reproductions ones is. So anything they list, I don't really trust, and it raised a red flag that they were selling an item with the mysterious Etruscan urn...
Hi Chalcedony!
Glad to "meet" another searcher for this "urn" mark!
AND, VERY HAPPY to say I id it as sold by PARISIAN DIAMOND COMPANY!
See my posts there:
https://www.collectorsweekly.com/user/kyratango/mysterious-makers-mark-etruscan-urn
https://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/254184-any-infos-on-the-parisian-diamond-compan?in=collection-5608
Confirmation given by member kjsn posting, showing her antique comb bearing the mark, together with original documents:
https://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/261457-parisian-diamond-company?in=collection-5608
Back of the comb showing the mark:
https://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/261480-parisian-design-company-markings?in=collection-5608
Hi Kyratango!
That's amazing. I'm so glad you found out who made the pieces as I spent lots of time researching it at one point.
It's so interesting that a company back in 1900 would be so prolific; I have a skewed view of the past, so assumed far fewer pieces were produced back then. That's why I found it more probable that they were copies. I still have lots to learn!
The pendant I had looked exquisite, so carefully made. I'm not surprised people are collecting these and well done to those who got them at bargain prices.
Thank you Chalcedony! This company was advertised from the 1890s until it stopped in approx 1908. Google for old advertisements and you'll see how proeminent was their "imitation" jewellery and how in these times you had right to use the word diamond for imitation!
Their premises in London were VERY luxuous. Still a lot to find about their vanishing, and what maker did these beauties for them.
I have a small trinket dish with markings of etruscan urn and 5 pointed star. Any information about this item would be appreciated. I do not know how to put pics on to show you.
Hi Tracey! Welcome on CW :-)
You just have to create a post with up to 4 pics by clicking "post an item" on top of the show and tell page :-D