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Posted 8 years ago
Thoughtbui…
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Badges and ribbons from Mr George f webb and his wife. Members of the National indian war veterans.
Mr webb has the same name as a member of significance in the organization but facts don't appear to be matching up and it will take more time to properly identify the individuals.
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Neat grouping! What can you share about George Webb and his time in the 5th Cavalry?
scott
Interesting that you ask that. It will take more time to answer the question, you see, according to my main source (https://books.google.com/books?id=IQMEaHtv5wwC&pg=PR40&lpg=PR40&dq=niwv+uiwv+webb&source=bl&ots=xcMlmnc7QA&sig=-qS8hlKngMagQkBqvUYaF-y-cIg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiP6YnYptTRAhUE3WMKHYBXBYcQ6AEIHDAA#v=onepage&q=niwv%20uiwv%20webb&f=false) a book published in 2007 Mr webb was in the 3rd. I will work to resolve this confusion and let you know what I learn
I may have been mistaken about this particular George webb. I assumed given the small number of veterans involved that the likelihood of 2 George webb members was pretty slim. I believe I was mistaken
Is it just me or are the signatures for the webbs different specifically the w and b's in the name webb are different on the top row from the ones on the 1932 convention, which seem to be written by the same hand. Is kali a typical name of the Era or is it possible she was native?
I would think that her name is actually KATE.
The ink next to the "t" is more of a cross than a dot.
Also, I wouldn't consider the name tags on the badges nor the identifications on the photograph to be signatures.
scott
Looks like these were probably from around a 50 year reunion. They saw a lot of change in their lifetimes.
I've hit nothing but dead ends. I don't consider the names on the pictures to be signatures but I do find it interesting that the name webb matches up almost exactly withe the hand writing on one of the name tags. George w webb was editor of winners of the West. A newsletter for indian war vets. He is the gentleman pictured. I now question whether the first name is identify ad george is even george at all. Not enough strokes to justify an e and an o. The numbered medal will be of no help since it is an m number and 5th cavalry has no mention of a webb in a book I obtained "across the continent with the fifth cavalry" a free download worth the read. The condition of the veteran medals leads me to believe someone was wearing them around. Just don't know if it was the same person who attended the convention
Also, United indian war vets was created as a counter organization to the national indian war vets after george w webb gained control. Interestingly I've noticed communications seem very... communist, at this point with everyone being referred to as comrade. This collection is also where I obtained the labor sports union medal. I guess the depression was just that tough
Nothing "communist" about the term comrade-- it is a very typical term within fraternal military organizations. The term is found with regularity in Grand Army of the Republic (Civil War Union Veteran organization) correspondences/ books/ official paperwork.
Has the "Kate Webb" yielded any results?
Good luck with the continued searches.
scott
I understand what you're saying about the use of the word commrade. I still believe there is more to the story when it comes to communist infiltration of these organizations. It was a major concern in the 20s and at this time these vets were fighting hard for pension benefits. As, a matter of fact it was george webb who helped secure a pension for indian war vets. Of course george webb would never have a united indian wars badge since he most certainly wasn't welcome. Kate webb has yielded some possible results. There is a Kate webb of the appropriate age who died here in Los Angeles I will need to research her further but the photo on her page seems very promising. https://www.geni.com/people/Georgiana-Webb/6000000030286221379
Found another in the 1910 census that seems to match perfectly. George f webb married kate webb. She was born 1870 and was in Fresno ca for the 1910 census. That was all I could obtain without a subscription
George F. Webb, Former Fresnan, Dies In L. A. George F. Webb. 74, former Fresno carpenter and -well known in labor circles here, died Tuesday in Los Angeles where he moved about twelve years ago. Surviving him are his -widow, Mrs. Katherine Webb; two sons, Ben and Albert Webb, and a daughter. Mrs. Emily Roberts, all of Los Angeles. He was the grandfather of Katharine, Ben and George Webb of Los An- eeles and Vernon and Dorothy Wells of Fresno. He was born in England and had lived in the United States for more . v, -y than fifty years. He was a veteran with an average of 72 in April, 1933. of the Indian wars. He came to The sanitorium had an average of 70.1 patients daily, as compared The net $3,728. cost of operating was Fresno about 1900. Funeral services will be held here.
Ocr transcript seems off but there he is in the Fresno bee. Thank you so much to Scott and Fort apache. We saved a man's memory and it's something to be proud of. I will work to compile more of his history and also explain why he wasn't in muster rolls of the book I referenced earlier.