Posted 7 years ago
MariaCA
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This wonderful fishplate has been in my house for at least half of my life and I've often wondered what it is called and where it comes from. The mark says Sèvres but also Bavaria, but as far as I know those two are in teo different countries... How does it work?
Thomas Sevres is the name of the guy in Bavaria who made it.
Oh I see! Thank you for the information! I have another plate with only the RC crown and Sevres, is it the same without the "Bavaria"-text? Do you know the style och name of the decoration? Where can I read more about this Thomas?
Do a google search on his name.
Sorry - I really love the plate! Beautiful colours.
Why do so many people make comments here without doing a few minutes of research first? Thomas Sevres wasn't a person. It took all of two minutes to find this history of the Rosenthal Co. and the Thomas mark.
http://collectrosenthal.com/history.html
I posted too quickly!
So this is a Rosenthal? How do I know that it's this Thomas? There's no "Thomas" in the mark. I've Googled a lot at the mark but cannot find this inparticular. How do I know when it is made? How can I find out if it has got a name? Is the name Sèvres? Or has France something to do with it?
And I have Googled a lot on this plate, never found anything like it... is it a fake? I have another plate but it has a crack in it. The mark on that is a little bit different, it doesn't say Bavaria and there's some brown numbers on it.
Not a fake but holds little relevance now. The Sevres mark has nothing to do with the more valuable Sevres porcelain factory. The flower may be wisteria but the gilding brings it down, as it is so poor. Looks like more of a kitsch piece.
It`s Rosenthal 1891-1906 underglaze mark. The factory is in Selb, Bavaria.
Fritz Thomas Porcelain Factory is located in Marktredwitz. Rosenthal became its major shareholder in 1908 and was run as an independent subsidiary of Rosenthal under different mark.See here:
http://www.porcelainmarksandmore.com/germany/bavaria/marktredwitz-01/index.php
Sevres is one of countless Rosenthal patterns.
In a word, your plate is genuine Rosenthal, not Thomas.
Btw. faked marks cannot be applied underglaze.
Hello.
I realize that you posted this query about your "beautiful mysterious plate" four years ago, however, I JUST received a dish from Etsy with the exact same makings. Well, as an English teacher who has taught how to do research for papers for the last 20 years, I have been relentless; unfortunately, the news is not very good if you are interested in owning a Sevres plate, as I was.
So, the R.C. is the marking for the Rosenthal & Company porcelain makers. Therefore, you DO own a Rosenthal, and sometime after the war--about 1950--the son of Phillip Rosenthal (Phillip, Jr) began to reach out to the best porcelain artists in Europe at that time. Therefore, my plate has a blurred "Copenhagen" and your's says "Bavaria" implying where the artists of the dishes are from.
Now, as for Sevrs and Rosenthal ever working together...well, I'm sorry to say that, that is a "no" and both of us were taken, making us believe that these dishes were Sevres. Oh, well!!! At least, they are Rosenthals.
I do hope I have helped shed some light on the mystery (I feel just like Angela Lansbury in "Murder She Wrote!!!!;) and wish you and yours health and safety.