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Helena Wolfstone Trembleuse Meissen Cup Saucer

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    Posted 7 years ago

    victorianc…
    (26 items)

    I know this is a Trembleuse cup saucer. I've looked at marks for Meissen and Helena Wolfsohn. No mark of AR. No crossed swords. The mark on the saucer & cup is blue and very blurry.
    The mark appears to be letters with a vertical mark in the middle. There is an impressed W or could be an M also. No mark I've seen comes close. Please advise if this is Meissen, Dresden and Helena W both or just one.
    It's been a long search. Finding the similar item was easy but comparing the marks has been difficult.
    Thank you so much if you can help in identifying this.

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    1. IVAN49 IVAN49, 7 years ago
      Looks like Sceptre Mark of the Berlin Porcelain Company.
      http://antique-marks.com/berlin-porcelain-marks.html

      But it widely reproduced and used elsewhere.
    2. victorianchildsdishesfan, 7 years ago
      Thank you so much Ivan. When you say Trembleuse c/s were reproduced are you suggesting that it wasn't made in the 19th century but in the 20th century?
      Would you clarify that a little?

    3. victorianchildsdishesfan, 7 years ago
      Is there any information on the small impressed W or M. With your kindly provided information I'm doing some research on your information.
      From a website on "Berlin Porcelain Marks.com" I found read "from 1870 the Berlin Sceptre mark was reintroduced but with a diagonal bar instead of the earlier horizontal one". A picture with the diagonal bar shows the dates of 1870- 1945. But there's no mention of an incised mark of W or M. It's still a mystery.
      Thank you again. Patricia
    4. IVAN49 IVAN49, 7 years ago
      It is 19th century (based on excellent hand decoration).
      Nevertheless, it`s difficult to attribute to Berlin KPM because the same scepter under-gaze blue was used by other manufacturers.
      Btw. ``AR`` Meissen cannot be found in flea markets and thrift shops. Portobello Road is full of them (cheap late Victorian imitation porcelain given for prizes at traveling carnivals).
    5. victorianchildsdishesfan, 7 years ago
      I absolutely appreciate all your time in your replying back to me.
      You've been extremely helpful.
      Patricia in Seattle

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