Posted 4 years ago
larksel
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It is possible that the Teplitz glass lamp shades from the catalog of R.WILLIAMSON & CO., - TEPLITZ GLASS from 1905 (and also from 1909) may be from the production of the Ernst Steinwald & Co. glassworks. So far, it has been attributed to the Pallme Koenig & Habel glassworks. However, the PK&H glassworks is not directly from Teplitz, but from Kosten (Kostany near Teplitz), while the E.S. & Co. is directly from Teplitz. When comparing shapes from the R. Williamson catalog from 1905 and the Ernst Steinwald catalog from the Cornig museum (see: https://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/284647-ernst-steinwald-and-kralik-dcors?in=442-activity), I found at least 2 identical or very similar lamp shades. These are numbers 1867 and 3632 (photo 1 - R.Williamson catalog), resp. 2838 and 2991 (photo 2 - Steinwald catalog).
Another possibility, however, is that the products of several glassworks from the Teplitz area are represented in the R. Williamson catalog.
I think I have a 3rd catalog page from the German glass company Meissner, with these glass lamp shades, this is becoming an indicator of several possibilities.
https://www.glas-musterbuch.de/Meissner-Glasraffinerie-Bele.187+B6YmFja1BJRD0xODcmcHJvZHVjdElEPTc3MDAmcGlkX3Byb2R1Y3Q9MTg3JmRldGFpbD0_.0.html
Hey Ales, I hope you don't mind but I just got the idea of doing a CW Meissner post, a glass company I researched years ago, which is also very interesting, with the same time period and similar glass products.
I have some difficulty with this. I think these shapes (grapes and fire shades) are very distinctive and in my experience not uncommon on online auction sites, indeed I have seen these many times in antique warehouses and shops here in the UK. I would suspect that these were very popular at the time and copied by many manufacturers.
You're probably right, similar glass shapes were probably made by more glassworks. Some refineries may have ordered glass from glassworks not only for further refining, but perhaps directly for sale in some markets. I think that the Meissner Glasraffinerie could order from nearby glassworks in the Teplitz area.
That is what I also came to conclude, as if you look at the other pages of Meissner glass catalog, you may find more Bohemian/Czech glass boudoir lamps from various companies.
Reason why I had an interest in their history and production or wholesale glass goods offered.
The dates are important too. The Williamson page is from 1905 and the Steinwald from c. 1930.
Ales, I have several photos of lamp shades attributed to P-K at Passau.
PM me if you need copies.
Please send me photos to: info@bohemianglass.org
guess you don't care for my idea about a Meissner post Ales?
This is probably a misunderstanding. Of course, I'll be happy if you publish a post about Meissner Glasraffinerie.
Ales why couldn't the glass shown in the catalogs be from multiple manufacturers, and potentially from Teplitz as well as other areas ?
When I spent two summers at the Harrach Glassworks digitally archiving their design books, one interesting bit that I uncovered was that Harrach was making glass for a lot of other major glass houses abroad.
To add to my comment above, here's just a couple of the glassworks that I uncovered Harrach doing contract work for (outsourcing is nothing new is it?):
Legras, France and F.& C. Osler, England
Legras makes a lot of sense, as we have noticed this before in their own catalogs, containing pieces of Harrach and other Bohemian glass.
Yes, the Williamson catalog certainly includes the products of several glassworks not only from the Teplitz area. For the purposes of glass identification, only catalogs of specific glassworks, fewer glass refineries and even fewer glass dealers are usable. And it is clear that even then, glass was sold under the glassworks' brand, even though it was made by another glassworks.
I'm trying to find at least some sources that would reveal at least some of the production of the Ernst Steinwald and Franz Tomschick glassworks. Through catalogs lamp shades it probably will not.
It's a vicious circle. The Hosch catalog includes the products of the Kralik glassworks, as well as other glassworks (Loetz, Pallme Koenig and it also seems Steinwald).
Just wondering if you have seen this on the Glashüttenwerk Steinhügel aka Augustinka in Kosten bei Teplitz / Kostany ???
http://koda.kominari.cz/?action=karta&cislo=A97
The Franz Tomschick factory there dates back to 1901 in his hands but was founded In 1873.
The "Augustinka" glassworks on Kamenný pahorek (Steinhügel) in Koš?any (Kosten) is another big unknown to me. I have preliminarily assigned a few pieces to the production of this glassworks, but it's more of an intuition. I hope that sometimes I can clarify it at least a little.
https://www.bohemianglass.org/katalog/tomschick/
In an effort to make sure people are not misinformed, the publication being referred to as a Hosch Catalog in comment 19, is actually a catalog showing Kralik production. The provided link in that comment takes you to a West Virginia Museum of Glass offering for Monograph 59.
The forward for Monograph 59, revised in 2014, simply clarifies that it is all Kralik production, and also revealed the hand written dedication in the catalog was done by Siegfried Kralik.
The catalog (Monograph 59) is not, and has never been associated with the refiner and exporter Hosch.
Nothing changed. As far as I am aware, the catalog (Monograph 59) has never been considered to be Hosch. You may have misunderstood what Alfredo said, or he may have mis-spoken. I would have no way of knowing. I simply know that the catalog has never been associated with Hosch.
The original forward claimed that it was an unknown catalog, and did not identify it all as Kralik production. That changed in 2014 when the forward was revised after Jitka identified it as Kralik production, and Ian Thompson determined the writing in it to be signed by Siegfried Kralik.
Ales, your image on the right also includes images from the Meissen Glass Catalog, I have found a connection between Meissen and Meisner on a website for the American research institution, and museum complex, The Smithsonian in Washington D.C.
They have a German text, with both companies mentioned together in German in a trade catalog for 1927 for glass lamps, which is also available to down load as a .pdf file. I can share the information.
Look at this:
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/bX4AAOSwa3tfIwjN/s-l1600.jpg
An early Kralik frit and green glass line application, with a green glass footed base. These versions were sold in the Butler Brothers Catalog pages of 1915.