Posted 12 years ago
Londonloet…
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I was sold this piece as unattributed, circa 1900. It is green aventurin, and the enamelling (I think) is beautiful.
I wondered if it was Ferdinand von Poschinger. The enamelling certainly looks like other examples I have seen, and Poschinger was (and is) known to make green aventurin - see Alfredo's website for some examples, and a warning that they are still making it.
I have even seen a dark violet, matt iridescent Poschinger vase enamelled with very similar nasturtiums - unfortunately I missed out on buying it!
There is some wear to the base, the enamel and to the metal mounts, but it is in very good condition.There is no certainty that it is not new!
It is marked 127 . in the lid and the base in hand-painted gold enamel.
I would love to know what you think - even if it turns out to be brand new.
Puzzling. Enameled Poschinger generally carries two sets of numbers; one for the form and another for the enamelist. The latter number is generally preceded by either a "D," "H," or "S" corresponding to the last name initial of the Buchenau factory three major designers. Florals most often carry the "H" for Betty Hedrich, though "S" can be seen too.
Oh dear. I thought there didn't seem to be quite enough numbers/marks, but I hadn't got as far as working out why it wasn't "right"! I'm clearly having one of those days - none of my pieces are turning out to be what I thought, or indeed simple to identify!
Any thoughts on what it might be if not Poschinger? Please don't say Chinese!
It strikes me as period and not modern based upon the wear and subtle clue in how the "7" was written. I know this can be weak evidence, but at least they support age in the same direction.
Well, that's something, at least! And thank you for looking and giving the benefit of your knowledge. There is always the fun element in getting you experts debating - and I'm learning a lot too. I bought my first piece of Bohemian glass in March, so this is one heck of a learning curve!
No problem. Glad I could help, but let me disabuse you of the notion that I'm some expert in Bohemian glass. I'm learning just like you...I just started a little earlier. I suspect many others would say the same about themselves. I've been wrong before (most recently in regards to a Loetz vs. Webb attribution), but the key is to file that knowledge away for the next time a similar vase appears.
Cogito, all things are relative - including expertise. From where I stand, you're a long way up the mountain! And that Webb bronze had a lot of people stumped - let's face it, we expect others to plagiarise Loetz, not the other way around.
Thank you Vetraio50, for the love.
Hi lovely piece . Does the glass have metal "sparklies "in it. Aventurine is the name for it is it has. And then Riedle is a possability.
Certainly does! With knobs on, as the phrase goes. You should be able to see if you enlarge the pics - esp pic 3. I called it aventurin as the German spelling seems to leave off the "e", but always happy to be corrected! And thank you for the info and the love.
Rindskopf also did Avenrutine
http://kralik-glass.com/frametemplate.html
Ozmarty, now I'm just getting more confused! I'd sort of ruled out Rindskopf because of the enamel, and I wasn't sure they did this kind of shape. I have to admit I hadn't thought of Riedel, but you are so right - could be a candidate. I had just focused on the poschinger-style-ish enamel. Do you know of Rindskopf pieces being enamelled, by them or anyone else? I think this could be a fun one to track down, so any pointers gratefully received! LLL
And thank you walksoftly, for the love.
Legras, Harrach, Josephinenhuette, Reidel, Poschinger all made aventurine (and probably a few other companies i am missing. Poschinger makes special orders of aventurine for people if they ask for it but it's ALWAYS CLEARLY MARKED. it isn't something you're likely to run across in the wild being sold as old. they do date their new pieces. he sensationalized that.
Your piece is definitely old and period but which company? Who knows. it could be any of them IMHO. there is one vase that is documented from three different companies in an aventurine same shape and decor..
Rindskopf's aventurine is different than this one. it's not that.
Thanks Greatsnowyowl, very helpful.
And thank you Bohemianglassandmore for the love - any thoughts on attribution?
btw, the numbers aren't any kind of identifying mark. they're just to tell the metal workers which pieces go together. It's like both hte stopper and the decanter being marked iwht the same number.
and Poschinger didn't always mark their pieces. I just came out out the passau glass museum yesterday actually and I spent sometime looking at the bases of their poschinger collection. Very few were marked at all. there was also a good number of cut from the top.
Greatsnowyowl, your marking point makes perfect sense. And your new info suggests Poschinger is back in the mix!
Can't believe you've just been in THE museum! I hope we're going to see some posts - or there are some pictures to upload somewhere for us to drool over! Please?
I took a billion pics and I was there with a group of people that I believe frequent this sight. But nothing is up at this point. I have to make sense of over well over 5 thousand pics (from various museums in the czech republic and passau, I have about 3000 from passau I think, but with all that I didn't get the haida/steinschonau rooms. I am hoping someone else did.) sooooo it might be awhile but I can point you to two sights that already have some pics up if you aren't familiar with them.
http://www.pixclix.com/Micro-Wave/Germany-2004/
http://www.glasscollector.net/PassauTour/passau.html
but all that said, I wouldn't have poschinger as a first choice for this. their enameling style doesn't usually look quite like this. (not to say they never did anything like this, who knows.) I think if it were mine I'd be leaning towards Harrach or Legras. I am still in Germany so I don't have my new legras book in front of me yet. Bohemianglassandmore does. maybe he can look in there.
Thanks Greatsnowyowl. I have already drooled over both those sites rather too often for my own good. Hoping for a new fix! If Legras is an option, I really am going to have to make a trip to the Victoria & Albert museum ASAP. Their Art Library apparently has the Legras books - as well as much else. Meanwhile, I hope Bohemianglassandmore is reading!
Thank you MiKKoChristmas11 and Lisa.
Thank you trgrubaugh!
Thank you Scandi!
I didn't see anything like it in the Legras book.
Thanks Greatsnowyowl, that's a real help. And saves me trying to make a trip to the V&A this weekend to look at the Legras book. Now, if we can just keep eliminating!
Scandi, I know what you mean about Moorcroft - the flowers, and that tube lined feel to the enamel. I have a couple of pieces of old Moorcroft too, so you've really pegged my taste!
Yes, I have one signed William and a couple of signed Walter, including an anemone lamp. No aquilegia though!
Thank you Bellin68!
Thanks, Deanteaks and inky.
I don''t know for sure but this kind of number and of enamel I often see at jewels and other items made as Limoges (French)enamel. Also this kind of enamel has such sparkling colors.
Thank you, Agram.m.
Thanks, too, scottvez.
So so lovely!!