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Posted 12 years ago
AmberRose
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The Secret Meeting by E. Elliot is another one of my recently brought out from storage pieces.
I believe that E. Elliot is a woman and this piece is from around the mid 1800. I could well be wrong. I have tried to research the artist but have run into a series of dead ends.
I love this painting. I love paintings that have a story to it or one you can make up a story around. This fits the bill nicely.
Anyone know E. Elliot??
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Forgot to mention that she is 3 1/2 by 2 1/2!
Sorry, I don't know E. Elliott, but....
This is an unusual painting. Stylistically, this reminds me a bit of paintings by the Pre-Raphaelite Brotherhood. (PRB was founded in 1848 , and artists who painted in this style included William Holman Hunt, John Everett Millais, Dante Gabriel Rossetti, Edward Burne-Jones, William Morris, Ford Madox Brown, and William Bell Scott.) The strong chin, mouth, and jaw are characteristic of PRB, and the pose of subject turning to look in a direction that places the object of her attention beyond subject's space reminds me of them too. Reminds me a bit of Rossetti, Burne-Jones, and Morris. Reminds me a bit of treatment of models Jane Burden Morris and Elizabeth Siddal.
I didn't find a "ta-da!" match on askart.com, but it is the only thing available to me at home today. The first askart.com entries below are of women painters, the last of a man. The first artist might be yours. You might also try looking for the artist under the assumption that "E." is the first letter of the middle name. When I painted, I often signed with the first letter of my middle name, followed by last name.
http://www.askart.com/AskART/artists/search/ArtistKeywords.aspx?artist=28673
http://www.askart.com/askart/artist.aspx?artist=11195020
http://www.askart.com/AskART/artists/search/ArtistKeywords.aspx?artist=11099352
http://www.askart.com/AskART/artists/search/ArtistKeywords.aspx?artist=10016211
http://www.askart.com/askart/artist.aspx?artist=11099351
http://www.victorianweb.org/painting/prb/1.html
miKKo! You are adorable, thank you for all the help!!!!
Sean, still waters run deep...sometimes rapids do to...heehee!
Hi, AmberRose! You're most welcome!!! I wish I had an Art Library here to comb, but I don't. Best wishes for a splendid Sunday to a splendidly kind soul! : D
Hahahahaha! eye4 I laughed so hard I snorted. It was very unladylike.
What do you mean "nice stuff" I like everything I have posted (well except that one scary vase).
I inherited most of it. Doesn't count.
miKKo, you are really a sweetie.
This lovely AmberRose....:-)
Thank you inky, I appreciate you stopping by. Did you have a nice weekend?
Great thank thank you Amberrose, although miserable weather just potted, favourite past time!....you?....:-)
Sorry don't know who artist is but I just love the painting.
Inky, great time but injury prone today. I managed to slice open my finger on a box of all stupid things. Bleed all over the sidewalk, had to hose it down. Then six year old managed to top me. Like a horror movie here. Honestly was kinda funny. Maybe need to burn some sage : )
Kathycat, thank you. I love it too.
Hedge!!! You good honey? Miss you.
Hey Amber,I'm doin OK. And for better or worse I'm back. Thanks !
Hedge, what can I do to help? Need my friend better than ok. Need a present? I am in off load mode.
Just keep bein you Amber...I am fine.Thanks though I appreciate the concern.
Anything for you sugar pie! My email is on my profile, let's catch up off line.
Just because you won't email me doesn't me others don't silly billy
Better than stinky!
Really? Didn't know this. I use it with my little kiddos when they are being funny. Pretty common expression here. Sorry. what's the background on this? It is part of our international community here, learning not only about collections but customs.
You know I think you are the bees knees : )))
Ouch! AmberRose, I hope it doesn't stop you from picking up all those wonderful bargains you come across!....:-)
Morning Sean, yes I can.
Inky, I have had all these treasures for years, plus growing up. I love my treasure as they feel like they are really mine.
i am sure that is making you crazy
Hi, AmberRose. I've been thinking. It's truce that this painting reminds me of a Pre-Raphaelite style, but I was thinking late last night that the depiction of the face is perhaps more consistent with a 1930s style. Follow below some links to 1930s, 1920s, and 1910 portraits, advertisements and photos.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/normavalentine/sets/72057594086018769/
http://www.google.com/search?q=images+of+betty+crocker&hl=en&prmd=imvnse&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=FTcEUNWDN7To2gXD8-GaCw&ved=0CEIQsAQ&biw=1093&bih=552#hl=en&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=images+of+1930s+women%27s+portraits&oq=images+of+1930s+women%27s+portraits&gs_l=img.3...8678.20214.0.20386.33.26.6.1.1.0.127.2372.21j5.26.0...0.0...1c.k8q2y3aXszQ&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=72f0a67d19e8fd2e&biw=1093&bih=552
http://www.google.com/search?q=images+of+betty+crocker&hl=en&prmd=imvnse&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=FTcEUNWDN7To2gXD8-GaCw&ved=0CEIQsAQ&biw=1093&bih=552#hl=en&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=images+of+women%27s+portraits+1920s&oq=images+of+women%27s+portraits+1920s&gs_l=img.3...2411.9078.1.9506.24.23.0.1.1.0.128.2369.11j12.23.0...0.0...1c.qFQPzaDeifE&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=72f0a67d19e8fd2e&biw=1093&bih=552
http://www.google.com/search?q=cosmetic+ads+of+1920s&hl=en&prmd=imvnsb&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=hzgEUOHQK4fi2QWOnqTJCw&sqi=2&ved=0CFQQsAQ&biw=1093&bih=552#hl=en&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=cosmetic+ads+of+1930s&oq=cosmetic+ads+of+1930s&gs_l=img.3...89485.91214.2.91926.3.3.0.0.0.0.159.358.1j2.3.0...0.0...1c.j3n5Nan_8EQ&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=72f0a67d19e8fd2e&biw=1093&bih=552
http://www.google.com/search?q=cosmetic+ads+of+1920s&hl=en&prmd=imvnsb&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=hzgEUOHQK4fi2QWOnqTJCw&sqi=2&ved=0CFQQsAQ&biw=1093&bih=552#hl=en&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=cosmetic+ads+of+1920s&oq=cosmetic+ads+of+1920s&gs_l=img.3...0.0.8.9246.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0...0.0...1c.rMUaDLy0_X4&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=72f0a67d19e8fd2e&biw=1093&bih=552
Now, a word about the frame and label. Are they the original frame/label? If so, I think that you'll find that the painting probably doesn't date from the mid-1800s. The metal label looks early 20th century to me. This frame/label looks like it might have come from a private collection, or that it might have been exhibited. Perhaps you could follow that trail, too.
Finally, the belt is really out of place with the woman's costume - something you picked up on immediately, I think. Are there any discernible pictorial representations on the the belt's medallions? Could they be a clue to the identity of the subject or artist? ... Just some thoughts for your Monday. miKKo
really amazing painting AmberRose - love it! will do some exploring on E. Elliot...
Thank you miKKo and Hunter. I agree with the weird belt, very savvy to pick up on my subtle hint miKKo. Didn't want to taint the thought process. I do think it has been re-framed. Painting does not match, agreed. Still think it is older, certainly could be 1900s. Not sure why I was told 1800s. It does have mixed messages. Any help is very very very welcome.
Beautiful painting, AmberRose! Hope all is well with you!
Hi, AmberRose. Had appointment in Tulsa region so afterwards went to main library to look in Peter Hastings Falk under assumption E. Elliott might be American, and also under a multi-volume British reference work on British artists. They were unexpectedly closed. Next appointment, I will check these reference works for you. If you or your husband have alumni library privileges in the area, you might try Oxford's online art history reference work. Too expensive for a single-user subscription. Take care! miKKo
MiKKo you are a treasure! Thank you!!!
Hi, AmberRose! You're most welcome!!! Tuesday, Wed., and Thursday the Central Library was closed for reasons unknown to me - was foiled twice this week, but successfully consulted the reference works today. Have five Ledger size pages from 1999 edition of Peter Hastings Falk's work, one or two pages from the British work, and one or two pages from Benzit. I had hoped to scan the pages and email them, but scanning ledger size is beyond me. What shall I do with them? By the way, I recommend that you use Falk's references to find exhibitions in which your artist's works have appeared, or printed books/catalogues in which representations of her/his works have appeared. If you find a reference to an exhibit but cannot locate a catalogue, you might send an email with your great photos to the Curator of that exhibit. Or, send them to someone who is reputed to be a scholar familiar with her/his works. REF my sending these pages to you. Security - as a woman, I recommend that you not post your address online. Perhaps I could send an email to Bellin, and perhaps he wouldn't mind me sending these pages to him. I could mail them with a stamped interior envelope to enable him to repost them to you. I don't think he'd mind at all, and I know that he has your address. Thanks for your patience! Regards, miKKo
Hi miKKo! I have had a LONG week and am just catching up on my postings. First, thank you, you are an absolute darling. I appreciate all the time and brain power you have directed my way. Second, my email is on my profile. Could you send me an email?
Thank you again!
Hi, AmberRose! You're most welcome. I looked for the email address, which I had seen displayed when CW used the older page format, but didn't find it. They've moved everything around. I was not successful at scanning the pages. That's why I had wanted to mail them. Falk has huge pages and small print. Ledger size was too big, and next I cut the pages down and tried again. No go. However, I'll keep trying on the scanning. Eventually, I'll come up with something. You may have to piece it together before you can make sense of it, and I might have to send three or more emails. There was a lot in Falk! Could you please post the email address? I'll let you know when I see it, and then you could take it down. Thanks! Take care, and get some rest. Hope you have a great weekend! miKKo
I'VE GOT THE EMAIL NOW, so no need to post it. Do you think that they keep monkeying with the format to see if we're awake?
Hi, PhilDavidAlexanderMorris. Yes, I see. I had my eyes focused on the airplane in that photo and didn't enlarge the photo. So, you saw the resemblance, too. You have an excellent eye. Now, does this 'style' of 'facial rendition' remind you of the 1920's or 1930's, too? Thanks.
AmberRose, the docs are scanned and headed your way. I had to trim the margins off of Falk and the British work, so I am sending three separate emails so that you can tell what's what. Any questions - you've got my email now, and don't hesitate to ask. Best wishes for a splendid Sunday to you both! miKKo
Hi, PhilDavidAlexanderMorris. Thanks much for your opinion, which is greatly valued. Yes, PRB - as you will see in posting no. 2 above - was my first thought, and its treatment of Burden-Morris and Siddell. But something about the face - possibly the stylized, plucked eyebrows - reminds me strongly of the 1920's and 30's. Do you recognize the framed piece behind her? The one that looks like a tapestry? Is this an allusion, do you think? If so, do you have any hypotheses as to its possible sign value? What do you think of the belt in this piece? Don't you find it odd that the stitches or threads in the 'tapestry' are rendered with such remarkable skill and yet the sheer yoke and flounce of her dress is not painted with great skill? I don't mean to quiz you or put you to work on this, but just placing the seeds in your fertile mind. You just might come up with something later. You do pull rabbits out of hats. Thanks! miKKo
Thanks so much! So you do see the unusual eyebrows? You think that the artist intended to depict a certain woman, and that this painting is a portrait in at least one sense? Interesting.
Your hypothesis about the oilettes is fascinating. I'd never have thought of that!
If I had a lot of time, I'd be coming through images of tapestries by Morris et alia. I might even try to find the same tapestry in the work of Raphael Tuck et alia. However, I must work on the Doniphan portrait in dead earnest now. No time for this puzzle.
Lady of Shallott, very good poem....
Thanks again, very much! miKKo
I agree with all the points and am excited to get miKKos info. Thank you so much for the interest and effort, just feel happy to be apart of this generous community.
I love love love it, but she looks worried or frightened.
Well of course Jim, she is doing something "secret". Passing notes to the king, meeting a lover, getting away from a crazy hubby who think she thrifts too much...
Hi Phil, you did show me those pictures and you are right...dead ringer.
Looks like she is *sneaking around* and doing something she could get *caught*. It Looks like she is trying to *keep a secret* -- but the secret could be out!!
Love, love, love this picture!!