Posted 12 years ago
copperman7…
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Here you will read the truth about the so called "non-existant" 1815 United States Large cent.
Do they exist...you can bet the farm that they do, at least 4 are known to have been struck at the mint dated 1815.
Was the US Mint completely devoid of copper planchets at the end of the 1814 cent run...of course not. Use your head for something other than a hat rack and you will soon realize that the mint had many copper planchets available at the end of the 1814 cent run...as many as 1370 but obviously not enough to complete a full quota run of the 1815 cent...so they decided to cease minting at the end of the 1814 cent quota.
However...and this is the gospel...a die was cut bearing the 1815 date and at least four copper cents bearing the date 1815 were produced and possibly several more. One of the original four is currently sitting in a bank safe deposit box, in their vault...I have seen it, I have studied it, it is flawless and it is authentic.
I have been collecting coins since the age of 9...I am currently 72. The original die bearing the date 1815 for the US Large Cent was created, and used...and it is possibly in a vault or mint museum locked away from the public.
The 1815 cent that I have viewed in person will likely be shown to every expert interested in viewing it in person within the next three to four months...
A very interesting coin and certainly of importance...
Copperman
OK, I'll bit. How much is it's approx. value?
A wonderful response Mr. Mustangtony...however it is of the normal collector thinking which is generally if not always, clouded by inferior information from self proclaimed "experts".
The 1815 cent die was engraved and finalized and ready for production during the second quarter of 1814...long before the fire. Secondly, the US Mint would require the copper planchets to be in full supply, or available within a reasonable period...true, they massive amount of copper planchets required to produce the full production of the 1815 cent was not available at the start-up time of production...but do you actually think for one moment that for the very last 1814 cent...someone scurried about looking for the very last copper planchet to produce it...and perhaps found just one more on the floor under a table...???
This thinking is totally inaccurate...there were at least...1370 copper planchets still available, not enough to complete a full run, so the 1815 copper cent run was halted...prior to the fire, and this is a fact.
However...and also prior to the fire...at least four copper large cent coins were run off...and possibly several more...however it is a fact that four did exist and one is seen in the photograph here...and as I said earlier I have viewed it in person in a controlled environment...and yes, I have weighed it...I have also studied it extensively for years...and no, sir, I am not the only collector of copper coins with over 60 years of doing so that has had the unique opportunity to actually view this coin in person.
There has been three other major collectors that have too, viewed this wonderful and unique copper cent in person, collectors, whom if their names were allowed (at this time) to be made public, would set your mind at ease.
I believe we all understand that its monetary value is significant but that is greatly diminished when considering the importance of its historical value...which far exceeds any dollar amount.
The coin exists...and it is genuine...this we already know, and in the future, the near future, it will be made available for public viewing under extreme security of course, as you might well imagine.
Thank you kindly for you response and interest sir.
Copperman
It has been
Trying to measure on my screen, the 2nd 1 appears to be slightly shorter. At first I thought it might be an optical illusion because the 5 is larger. Of course it could be the picture also. With the pic blown up & using my verniers, it appears to be .7 m/m shorter.
As expected, the naysayers come out from the shadows...however your opinion is of very little concern and/or value since you have no idea who has viewed and authenticated this 1815 cent. When the complete information is released for public consumption, you sir, as well as many others will hopefully have a clear and definitive reason to cheer. Thank you all for your interest.
Copperman
I'm neither a "naysayer" nor a collector. I do have a machinist eye & just offering an observation. Since dies are hand engraved, that could happen. Actually I was hoping to get some comments as to whether this was common.
Copperman, you keep saying this and that are facts but you don't give a source of confirming the facts. Perhaps you have resources everyone else doesn't. Please post how you confirmed the facts. Thanks
There is no such thing as a genuine, US Mint-made, 1815-dated large cent. The first deliveries of cents in 1816 (February) were all dated 1814. I would dearly love to find out what "expert" authenticated these fantasy pieces as US Mint products, and I doubt that such a person even exists. If he does, let him show his face and name. There is nothing in the OP or response #2 that is true.
I think I have one