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    Posted 12 years ago

    nldionne
    (251 items)

    This came up for auction yesterday. Nobody bid against me so i got her for 5.00. When I saw her I thought it was a quality piece. Researching her I found several that match exactly down to her little toes. All of the others I have found are clear no color. This one actually changes color when she is moved from room to room. She is sometimes blue sometimes purple and sometimes a light yellowish color. Is a Czech piece. Even though I can find the exact piece I do not have the original lable and cannot find one that isn't clear. Any comments welcome. Thanks and Happy Easter!

    Retailer - Focke Metzler
    Desna Madonna (thanks GSO)

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    1. RussTenale RussTenale, 12 years ago
      I actually change colors when I move from room to room!

      Good luck on your search.
    2. nldionne nldionne, 12 years ago
      LOL! Have a good one Russ
    3. nldionne nldionne, 12 years ago
      Thanks Birdie.
    4. inky inky, 12 years ago
      Lovely!...:-)
    5. nldionne nldionne, 12 years ago
      Thanks Phil, Vetraio , Mustang and Inky.
    6. nldionne nldionne, 12 years ago
      Thanks Czechman. Have you ever seen this piece? Can't find it colored only clear.
    7. epson233 epson233, 12 years ago
      she's beautiful nldionne
      i think they refer to this glass that changes colors pending on natural light or incandescent as optic or alexandrite
      here are two websites to check out --
      http://www.aspireauctions.com/auction310/details/45327.html
      http://www.aspireauctions.com/auction310/details/45327.html
      seems there are several glass manf that produce this particular type of glassware -- i have two frosted vases in the alexandrite glassware that i enjoy

      hope you had a happy easter

    8. epson233 epson233, 12 years ago
      here is the second website -- copied the first one twice -- sorry about that

      http://www.collectorsaddition.com/membership/memberinfo.htm
    9. nldionne nldionne, 12 years ago
      Thanks Epson. 2:00 feeding time:)
    10. epson233 epson233, 12 years ago
      meowwwwwwwwwwwwwwww -- hugs to kitty kitty
    11. Greatsnowyowl Greatsnowyowl, 12 years ago
      different companies called it different things. it's neodymium glass, it could be Czech. It could be other countries... something looks off to me on the cutting on the star on her head. I dont know who made it. Neodymium glass is always collectible though. Moser had the original patent on it. In the early years they liscenced it out to a few other companies. I know there was a german company that did moser like glass in the mid century. Now you can find it from CZ Germany, china, france America and a few other places.

      Does it say something on her foot? it looks like something might be pressed onto HER actual foot not the base of the piece? I don't think the base (proper) or the way teh star is cut on her head indicate any of the best firms (Moser, Sevres or Riedel) for production of this piece. the cutting is unfinished looking and the base looks bloppy and bubbly And if this piece were older it would necessarily be from one of these firms. Tiffin and Fostoria also had licence but again I'd expect it to be finished better. Odds are this is a newer example.. but as I said.. this kind of glass always has a fan base.
    12. Greatsnowyowl Greatsnowyowl, 12 years ago
      can you show a pic of the actual bottom of the piece? it would probably also give good clues.
    13. Greatsnowyowl Greatsnowyowl, 12 years ago
      also some links for the exact duplicates you've found might be helpful
    14. epson233 epson233, 12 years ago
      your most welcome nldionne -- nighty night and hugs to little gumption
    15. Greatsnowyowl Greatsnowyowl, 12 years ago
      I think this is either Desna or Schlevogt.. I found some duplicates marked desna. they are from old schlevogt molds. Either way excellent score for five bucks. I am not that strong on desna/schlevogt but the way the crown is finished does make me think Desna is more likely.
    16. Greatsnowyowl Greatsnowyowl, 12 years ago
      Focke Meltzer was a retailer. I found one with the amsterdam tags but made in czech.

      http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Catholic-CZECH-Glass-Madonna-Satin-Glass-Clear-Base-Focke-Meltzer-/360610843148

      here is one with stickers. to me the detailing on her looks crisper than the one you have. I think she is one of the older stock from Schlevogt

      here is the desna version
      http://www.ebay.com/itm/MADONNA-SIGNED-Art-Deco-DESNA-Handcrafted-Glass-Crystal-Religious-Sculpture-/120885189142

      but when all is said and done ymmv.. This type of glass isn't my normal thang. maybe a collector of this kind of glass will come along and offer more insight than me :) I could be wrong. She might be one of the originals.
      My concern is that the cutting on her crown is very rough. it should be smooth and polished for schlevogt. if original it might have been damaged and recut but not polished.
    17. Greatsnowyowl Greatsnowyowl, 12 years ago
      and the base looks like it has bubbles.. it should not have bubbles if schlevogt. (but it could be reflections in the photograph)
    18. nldionne nldionne, 12 years ago
      Thanks GSO, I found the same one on eBay and a few others. Glass isn't my thing but sometimes I won't pass up something like.
    19. nldionne nldionne, 12 years ago
      Thanks for a info GSO. I am not a great photographer, just snap with iPhone. There aren't any bubbles or flaws on her base reflections and goo from auction sticker. I appreciate all of your time.
    20. RussTenale RussTenale, 12 years ago
      Excuse my thoughts, I was concluding that Focke Meltzer was a retailer also. And the close of up the toes you have do not look as detailed as ones I could find. It's all in the details:) I agree, sharper images would help tremendously, for comparison.
    21. nldionne nldionne, 12 years ago
      Good Morning Russ.
    22. RussTenale RussTenale, 12 years ago
      I love the research and information that Greatsnowyowl has provided.
    23. nldionne nldionne, 12 years ago
      You ain't seen nothin yet:)
    24. nldionne nldionne, 12 years ago
      I need to try some more photos. These were taken in my kitchen at night. It is very detailed when you see it in person. If I could find any cables to download from a real camera it would be sweet:)
    25. RussTenale RussTenale, 12 years ago
      Wow, interesting is the path one takes to get to the spot when you can say, ahhhh, I made it, finally here.
    26. nldionne nldionne, 12 years ago
      So deep so early:)
    27. RussTenale RussTenale, 12 years ago
      Have you read my profile?
    28. nldionne nldionne, 12 years ago
      Nope but I will.
    29. nldionne nldionne, 12 years ago
      Nothing better than a rock and a bubbling stream to let your mind wander. You look familiar:)
    30. RussTenale RussTenale, 12 years ago
      In honor of my friend, Danny, who's message on his answering machine is " The dude is not home".
    31. nldionne nldionne, 12 years ago
      He must have been a good person for you to honor him. A true friend is hard to find.
    32. RussTenale RussTenale, 12 years ago
      Good luck on your search here. I would need better visual content to help you further. Now I must indulge in COFFEE :)
    33. nldionne nldionne, 12 years ago
      Have a good one Russ!
    34. RussTenale RussTenale, 12 years ago
      Please excuse my interuption here, have you seen this post? I have been working on this one.

      http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/86712-freestanding-curved-porcelain-long-haire?in=unsolved-mysteries

    35. nldionne nldionne, 12 years ago
      She is beautiful. I'm sure you will solve it, you have excellent research skills. My friend that I mentioned on another comment is like you. When he has his mind set on finding the answer he never gives up. We used to have marathon searches going on. Miss him.
    36. RussTenale RussTenale, 12 years ago
      Well, I just posted my thought on that post. And I am sure your virtual friend is not far.
    37. nldionne nldionne, 12 years ago
      He never is.
    38. nldionne nldionne, 12 years ago
      Thanks Bellin and good morning:)
    39. Greatsnowyowl Greatsnowyowl, 12 years ago
      It is Desna, apparently Schlevogt never made a Neodymium but Desna did.

      http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php?topic=51949.0
    40. nldionne nldionne, 12 years ago
      Very helpful GSO! Have a wonderful day.
    41. RussTenale RussTenale, 12 years ago
      Nice! My first guess was going to be, and it was only a guess. "Sun Purple" glass.
    42. nldionne nldionne, 12 years ago
      Thanks Slave-to-Glass
    43. nldionne nldionne, 12 years ago
      I like the purple the best but the glass seems to decide what color it's going to be:)
    44. nldionne nldionne, 12 years ago
      Thanks Amber
    45. nldionne nldionne, 12 years ago
      Thanks Geno
    46. nldionne nldionne, 12 years ago
      Thanks for the love Petey.
    47. nldionne nldionne, 12 years ago
      Thanks Mikko
    48. dax, 6 years ago
      Hi! Actually the link above for collectorsaddition.com no longer works - but there is a working page that has all of the alexandrite glass they had made exclusively (so you won't find anywhere else):

      go to http://www.collectorsaddition.com and type in Alexandrite
      https://www.collectorsaddition.com/

      mobile friendly site http://www.thecollectorsaddition.com and type in Alexandrite
      https://www.thecollectorsaddition.com/

      Other Alexandrite Glass is on this site from time to time as well.

      Hope that helps
    49. dax, 6 years ago
      By the way I LOVE the angel you got above - that's how I found this post! Great Score!

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