Posted 10 years ago
Socalakerf…
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ONE OF THEE RAREST ERROR MISPRINT CARDS EVER PRODUCED.
I AM NOT AN AVID CARD COLLECTOR, I HAVE HAD THIS CARD TUCKED AWAY SINCE MY YOUTH. IVE TALKED WITH SEVERAL "EXPERTS", REGARDING AUTHENTICITY . THIS CARD IS SO RARE THAT EVEN THEY CANNOT PROVIDE ANY INFORMATION ABOUT IT. I CAN TELL YOU THIS, THE CARD IS 100% AUTHENTIC & IS IN PRESTINE, IMMACULATE CONDITION AS IF IT CAME STRAIGHT OUT OF A PACK & INTO A SECURE HARD SHELL CASE.
WITH GRIFFEY JR. APPROACHING AN AUTOMATIC TICKET TO THE HALL OF FAME SOON, COULD IT POSSIBLY BE "VALIDATED", AS A ONE OF A KIND ITEM.
ANY FEEDBACK IS GREATLY ACCEPTED.
Thanks for the help...
What is the "misprint" you refer to?
http://www.psacard.com/CardFacts/CardDetail.aspx?item=39836
As the photos clearly indicate, that's definitely incorrect or a "misprint", I'm assuming.
Again, I'm not a sports card buff anymore, and haven't been since I was a kid.
So my knowledge isn't quite up to par, if you will.
Well, you're showing only the front of a Ken Griffey card and also a Bob Welch card with no reference mentioned whatsoever to the Bob Welch card?? - The link in comment #2 shows both sides of what the Ken Griffey Jr. card should look like. If anything, it is the Bob Welch card in black & white that is not "up to par". It should be in color like this one; http://www.amazon.com/Upper-Deck-Welch-Oakland-Athletics/dp/B00BYKPKVO
so are these double sided , from im looking at? is that error , with the two printed like this with no info?
aghcollect look in the first picture what do you see?
With that being said, would it not be considered a "misprint"?
Again, I'm just assuming. My portfolio is quite extensive as your knowledge of collectible items, that is the reasoning for my inquiry about the card in question.
My reference would be is the vivid color photo thee error, or is it possible the Bob Welch is the error?
Enlighten me, add to my slim edification on this item, I'm sure a few might know about this card that seems to have a mystery looming around it. I myself do not know much of this esoteric hobby/life.
It is a single card....
so question is to you are these cards as one card, meaning is the two pictures of these back to back as one card? ken and Bob on one card?
Yes, one single card with two different people.
okay!!! then that would be the error part of the card then. so no info and no stats would make this something then.
I am confused by your first picture above - you are showing two different cards in the same picture??
"Something"?
aghcollect , he just it is one card. meaning it could have some value , but I don't know for sure really?
I'm showing that it's one card, because I've spoke with different people and they insisted, and disputed it could not possibly be one card.
Frivolous and not true, it is one card.
I can only comment on what I see in the picture, and your picture #1 shows two different cards being held by two different hands with no evidence shown in the background of a "merged" picture. - Obviously it cannot be confirmed as both sides of the same card by a photograph and only by having it personally in one's hand. If it is indeed a single card, then it is an error and it should be submitted to a professional card grading service to be "slabbed" and graded as such.
Two different hands?
I'm holding it up in front of the bathroom mirror, if you must know.
So, the two hands is actually a reflection of my one single hand...
((shower curtain))
I didn't think I actually had to spell it out, but obviously I was mistaken.
Sorry guys, my apologies!
ITS VERY INTERSTING!! Welcome to Socalakerfan24!!!! thankyou sharing this with us :)
I had an idea it was one card that's why I asked , before I ASSUMED :)
lol!!!!!
Interesting indeed!!
Your very welcome...
aghcollect , you really have to think and ask questions before assuming .
meaning you really have to look at the picture first. meaning if its in the bathroom , then its a mirror shot:) !!!!!! LOL!!!
Thankyou Socalakerfan24 , once again and clearing this up for us and sharing !!!
I was kidding around with you aghcollect !! please take no offense :)
In order to validate it as authentic - submit it to a professional card grading service to be "slabbed" and graded as such. - they will remove it from the plastic holder to validate it is indeed a "single card" - In 1989, the Ken Griffey card is #1 and the Bob Welch card is #191 - The link below shows a complete list of the 1989 Upper Deck Set (including known error prints where noted)
http://www.baseballcardpedia.com/index.php/1989_Upper_Deck
[Make no mistake, the '89 Upper Deck Griffey is one of the most significant baseball cards ever produced. The card was situated in the top left hand corner of the uncut sheets and was more liable to be cut poorly or have its corners dinged. Company policy was that if a customer found a damaged card in its package, the company would replace it. Many Griffey cards were returned and the result was that Upper Deck printed many uncut sheets (sheets consisting of 100 cards) of just Ken Griffey, Jr. - According to Professional Sports Authenticator (PSA), the 1989 Upper Deck Ken Griffey, Jr. is the most graded card of all time. Between PSA and Beckett Grading Services (BGS), over 100,000 copies have been slabbed.]
I do agree with aghcollect!!!
Incidentally - the black and white image is called a "test proof" - getting the card professionally (PSA or BGS) graded and "slabbed" will prove its authenticity.
very nice work aghcollect!! ;) merry Christmas to you aghcollect!!
Great piece of investigative work agh indeed. Thank you for the input & option.
I will keep you posted as to the direction the card will travel, results included.
Again, thanks!
Yes - how stupid of me - I should have known it was a single card shot taken in a bathroom mirror since it was noted completely and precisely in the description field - OH??, no it wasn't? - maybe if the description had said "Ken Griffey card with Bob Welch printed on back" it would have been more "descriptive" of the error in question.
Do you mind providing the link for the black & white, "test proof" information.?
I would like to read more in depth about that topic.
Socalakerfan24 - as said, submit it for professional grading. That way it is authenticated. The nominal cost of grading it will only increase it's value and it will be recorded by the grading service. - I did see one other Ken Griffey error, but it was the black and white "test proof" version and they did not show what was on the other side.
http://www.bidami.com/Auctions/AuctionItem?AuctionId=38856&t=&p=0
Interesting card.
I'd contact a few dealers to get feedback on the card or show it at a baseball card show.
If you get positive feedback, then I'd invest the $ to get it graded.
scott
I chose to omit every detail in my "opening statement", I felt it would grab the attention, and then eventually further the exchange from there.
((1st time user))
Regardless, I came out with great info up to this point. Excactly why I chose to be involved here. Sweeeet!!
To add my 2 cents here (my son is a huge collector); I agree with getting it authenticated. The chance that two players cohabitating on the same card is improbable because of the printing process. But you really don't know without a grading service looking at it.
FWIW ... it is known that unscrupulous dealers (and collectors) are able to actually split the cardboard and affix a different image onto an existing card. This practice has uncovered on really early, rare cards. In other words, take two inexpensive cards and create something unique.
I could see that as a possibility. Truth be told, I had to have been maybe 10-11 years old when I came across the card. So, yeah it's possible!!
If I only knew how I came into it...
Let's think hypothetical real quick, if the validity is 100% true, opinions as to what the card could bring?
Again, thinking out side the box, off the record. ((Without question it is legitimate))
PSA regular service fee for a single card (any card with a declared value of under $500) is $17 and is done in 10 business days - Here is a link to their fees;
http://www.psacard.com/Fees/
And I agree with rneiderman in comment #37 - they would remove this card from the holder to see that it is indeed a single card, not two cards back to back. Basically the "test proof" of the Bob Welch is an error too, but the Ken Griffey rookie card error would be much more valuable. Neither one is noted in the list of known and documented errors for this 1989 year set.
Thankyou Rob for sharing info as well!!! well noted indeed!!
A graded gem mint example of the correct Ken Griffey, Jr. card sells for $200-300 - unable to give an estimate of what this misprint error would bring in as there is simply nothing to compare it to.
In regards to value (assuming it's authentic), I am not qualified to speculate. I don't speak for others here on CW but sports cards are highly specialized and inhabited by people who invest a lifetime studying them. I've attended national sports card conventions (with my son) and amazed at what has value and what does not. My recommendation is to have a mindset that this is 'suspect' and be surprised as opposed to hoping it's real and being disappointed.
Sean ... you're welcome.
It more than likely will be passed on to my 17yr old. Which he probably could care less about, so I'll keep it safe hands for now.
Thanks to all who have reached out and provided great feedback.
My curiosity is still not cured ((smirking))
I knew you would say that ((LAUGHING))
Sports card collecting is such an esoteric field, or seemed to be to me when I ventured in a year or two ago. Back in the day I had two Junior Seau cards I wanted to offer, but found no one would buy them if they weren't authenticated, and reading up on the subject, was further told by an expert that since Junior signed them in pen and not with a Sharpie, I would get even less for them because collectors liked Sharpie signatures! At that point I knew I was in over my head, lol.
aghcollect, really good information. Had Socalakerfan24 been clear in her initial posting, she would have saved us all time and irritation, lol.
Grading services really changed the hobby (not for the better, in my opinion)!
scott
Hi! I found this on eBay and thought you might like it! Check it out now: http://r.ebay.com/nivuhv
Not exactly my card, but very similar.
It has been authenticated, so yes these cards are out there!!
Send it to Beckett, and get it graded...No second thoughts about it. it will be slabbed and correctly identified. The error will either hurt the card or make it more valuable.
Jan 16th 2020
I have two similar VERY RARE ERROR ROOKIE CARDS of the 1989 Upper Deck Ken Griffey Jr. w/ BLANK WHITE FRONT along with Dick Schofield's image and name & stats on back of card.
In addition, with Ken Griffey Jr. Card #1 on back and double stats and double card numbers of both (#1 Ken Griffey Jr. and #201 Dick Schofield (Angles)
DOUBLE CARD NUMBERS WITH GRIFFEY (STATS) & WRITING AND DICK SCHOFIELD STATS and photo WITH MISSING Upper Deck logo's on both cards.
My 2nd card is pictured with Dick Schofield on front, w/ Ken Griffey Jr.'s card #1 and stats on back of card and Mariner's TEAM LOGO.
Next, is Dick Schofield's photo on back with (PLAYERS NAME on card and card number #201 w/ stats.
Lastly, Franklin Stubb's IMAGE on back, w/ NAME, and Dodgers LOGO all appear listed on back of Griffey's 1989 UD ROOKIE CARD
AN EXTREAMLY RARE ROOKIE CARD ERROR
* PLEASE NOTE: Franklin Stubbs Image is from the front of his 1989 UD card which is located on the back of KEN GRIFFEY JR.'s Rookie Card