Posted 10 years ago
Elisabethan
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I have this chiffonjé that I need help with, I´d like to know the age of it. I will show details in a separate post. It´s heavy, Think it´s oak and pine.
I know it´s not fancy, and the handels are probably not original but this chiffonjé has been used by many before me and I love it. Any mending that´s been done is old. I first saw it standing in an attic in a really old house in the countryside here, I saw the patina and loved it. Some nice relatives, who owned this and a lot of other old furniture, noticed it and remembered. On our weddingday it was given to me and my husband as a gift because I had said I loved it. I found pieces of old Agricultural plants like ray in some drawers :)
Messurements:
D: 47 cm
H: 100 cm
W: 96 cm
This is post 1 of 4.
it's beautiful!
Thanks CindB, melaniej for you nice coments and for loving this post. Thanks also to PatSea, glasslove, Jewels, walksoftly, Mikelv85 and DrFluffy!!
stunning!!!
Thanks Sean! I've realized this is not a chiffonjé (don't know the word in english for it). This made it possible for me to search and find out more for myself. From all the information I could gather I can now see details that tells me this could be from the 1700's or 1800's, not 1920 that was suggested. I guess you need to look at all details and way them together, and there has been quite a lot of changes done to it over the years (long before me) so I guess you can be misstaken by that. In a few days I will gather the information and copy some links to similar furniture that I've found. Thanks for loving my post!
To be clear, I said 'you' but ment in general. :)
Kyratango, cormoran1925, Valentino97, blueyedame and trunkman thankyou!
You can make all the changes you want but the joinery and marks for the joints speak volumes. The joints on this were made between 1890 and 1920. You don't have to agree but you need to prove me wrong.
I'm not out to prove anything, I've asked for help to learn more but when you answer me first that there are 'witnessmarks' that tells you it's 1920 and no other thoughts about where and why, nor looking at things that might go against your point, like the use of treenails, the fact that the undersida of the drawers is underlaying the sides instead of being integritated-a tecnique that here ended around 1760. The style in swedish furniture in the 1700's was very much inspired by northgerman furniture and "senbarock".
That's the sort of discussion I seek here so that I can read and learn more and then make up my mind. That's interesting to me, just being told isn't a good way to learn. So 'prove' to me were you have your sourse that tells you those dates and I will be grateful. That I can use.
https://www.bukowskismarket.com/sv/lots/579579-sekretar-danmark-nordtyskland-1700-tal/images/9211615
https://www.bukowskismarket.com/sv/323387-snedklaffsekretar-1800-tal
http://www.harpgallery.com/library/dovetails.htm
https://www.bukowskismarket.com/sv/579579-sekretar-danmark-nordtyskland-1700-tal
http://www.lauritz.com/sv/auktion/sekretaer-snedklaff-1800-tal/i3190002/
In the last one you can see they think it's 1800 and you can see it has the underlaying underside of drawers as well. I doubt it was still used in the 1900's, and add to that wooden nails?
Thanks PhilipDavidAlexandermorris for lovingthe post!
Thankyou gforce1108!
Very nice gift and family heirloom:) Love that original finish.
Thank you so much Trey for your lovely coment!
Thankyou Virginia!
Thanks Petey!
Hard to tell from photos, but I defintely think it looks old, pre 1850 at least?
It looks like 18th century (1700-tal) to me, also the lowest part with the "legs" looks really old.
The metal parts are not easy to see on the photos. But the "beslagen runt låsen" (vad heter det på engelska..?) looks handmade, also a sign of high age.
A lovely and very beautiful "sekretär" in my opinion!!
You're so kind for looking at my old posts. Thankyou Caperkid!
Nice and old furniture! No small accounts among small accounts?
i think that the materials - oak, in particular - were used in the late 19th century or early 20th century. if it were older than that, i'd expect it to be made of mahogany or cherry or maple.
a good, clear shot of the whole piece would help a whole lot.
There were indeed people who could afford to make their furniture from imported wood, but the less affluent, and in the Civil War, could only make furniture that was at hand.
But quarter sawn oak just wasn't a popular wood for furniture until the late 1800s. It was used by the less affluent in England before then. Mahogany, cherry and maple were preferred.