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2 similar porcelain bowls both with (an hua) hidden decoration. Chenghua era Ming Dynasty. Are they REAL?

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    Posted 4 years ago

    peter16
    (48 items)

    Pair of yellow glazed bowls
    Both with blue 6 letter base marks Ming Dynasty Chenghua Era Marks, in Blue
    Slightly different dimensions 1 being 5 1/2 x 2 5/8 inches the smaller 51/2 x 2 1/4 inches
    Incised design of dragons and centaur
    An hua hidden decoration of dragons, centaur and Phoenix ‘nei fei’ words within the hidden symbols , ‘nei fei’ marks, I believe mean Inner Court’ (shown with light behind)
    I do like these pieces in my collection
    But ....................... are they genuine or fake ?????

    My fellow collectors, what do you think, I would appreciate your comments

    Thank you

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    Comments

    1. apostata apostata, 4 years ago
      all two character nei fei are late in blue de hue
      and all two characters nei fei in yellow grands are extremely late

      there ise almost no yellow ground Chengua period ( the most are Hongzhi with an H!)

      there is a flood coming on yellow grounds in nowadays ( Hongzhi en Chengua)
      i think also the Chengua mark is badly made


      probably this is late 20century
    2. peter16 peter16, 4 years ago
      Apostata, thank you for your enlightening comments
    3. apostata apostata, 4 years ago
      i am on it again with a whole team ! , because its getting from fake to inconclusive , but i have to run hundreds , ( maybe thousands ) and there are hundreds of fakes

      so this will will take some time, i need hongkong for this
    4. peter16 peter16, 4 years ago
      Apostata I can’t thank you enough for your diligence
    5. apostata apostata, 4 years ago
      update , eyesight is too bad i am making copies of the NEI FU for a vietnamese dealer, i always triple check , because i make many mistakes, can,t see well enough
    6. apostata apostata, 4 years ago
      well i tried its hard to get information and the stakes are high, only a former expert from the former Ichiban auction thought it was real and some interns from minor auction houses , and the rest did,not trust it


      personally i think its a fake, there is not much fade out and not much contrast , but i am far from skilled in this

      but even a total fake will do at least 75 dollar a bowl, and certainly a yellow one

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