Posted 4 years ago
Alevvarisco
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I received for my degree a singer I suppose from 1906, I would like to use it but I’m not sure all the pieces are correctly part of this machine...Does anyone know if the bobbin in the picture is from this machine ? I think it Is from an older one so it doesn’t matches with my singer :( what do you think about that? Am I right?
The shuttle is called a torpedo shuttle based on its shape. Bobbin looks correct.
Hi, Alevvarisco. Congratulations on your graduation. :-)
Almost everything seems to check out visually on your machine.
That is to say, what I read as serial number "S916378" fits into the below range, per the International Sewing Machine Collectors' Society (ISMACS) serial number tables (which ISMACS got directly from Singer who endorses them via linkage):
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S- 887210 1162209 28K 275000 JULY-DEC. 1906
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http://ismacs.net/singer_sewing_machine_company/serial-numbers/singer-s-series-serial-numbers.html
That translates to: a block of 275,000 serial numbers ranging from 887210 through 1162209 was allotted July through December 1906, and destined to be stamped on model 28K machines.
See the machine that stamped the serial numbers into the machine beds at around the 14:17 mark in this circa 1934 documentary:
https://movingimage.nls.uk/film/1592
The "K" in the model number simply means that it was manufactured at Singer's Kilbowie, Scotland factory. About the Kilbowie factory:
https://www.singersewinginfo.co.uk/kilbowie
Your machine has the decal on top indicating that it indeed was made in Great Britain.
Further, the trapezoidal access panel on the front, and the split slide plates on the machine bed are characteristic of the model 28.
About the Singer model 28 machine:
https://www.singersewinginfo.co.uk/28
The decal set is called Victorian:
https://www.singersewinginfo.co.uk/decals/decal08
See your 'coffin top' portable case (scroll down):
https://www.singersewinginfo.co.uk/gallery_cases
As to the bobbin and bobbin case, the Singer model 28 definitely uses the shuttle style (scroll down):
https://www.singersewinginfo.co.uk/28k_parts_for_sale
Here is a user manual for the model 28:
https://www.singermachines.co.uk/sewingmachineparts/instruction-books/singer-28k-manual.html
The only thing that gave me pause was that your bobbin case seems to be split open or in half, and I'm just not used to seeing them like that. I don't personally own a shuttle bobbin sewing machine. :-)
Hi again, Alevvarisco. :-)
Here is bit more information on the shuttle bobbin from the Wikipedia article about that family of machines (it may be best to look at it directly in the Wikipedia article, because it's more intelligible in its original chart form):
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Models Shuttle assembly part number Shuttle body part number Notes
27, 28 8327 8301* wasp waist added
* Singer parts lists give contradictory information about the 8301 shuttle body. The parts lists state[14] that both the 8227 and the 8327 shuttle assemblies use it, but the pictures given of those assemblies show completely different shuttle bodies. The correct answer is probably 8327 because shuttles found in the wild stamped "8301" or sometimes "301" are the later wasp-waisted sort.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singer_Model_27_and_127#Shuttle_changes
Hi again, Alevvarisco. :-)
I think you're right that the item in your fourth picture is not correct for your vintage sewing machine. It looks oddly incomplete, and I was unable to find anything online that looked just like it.
Even if it were complete, it has straight sides, so I don't think it would be the right shuttle, because it's not "wasp-waisted," that is to say, not narrower in the middle than it is on the ends.
Here is a copy of the source document used by Wikipedia ("Price List of Parts, Machines Nos. 28-1 to 28-4, 28-8, 28-9, 128-3 and 128-4", October 1924) with the image of shuttle assembly 8327 on page 38:
http://www.universalsewing.com/images2/parts_lists/all/k4fe8bor.pdf
I fear you need some true expert help, because a replacement shuttle assembly is not inexpensive.
You could try singerpartsonline, not only because they carry a shuttle assembly that's supposed to be compatible, but they offer "no hassle" refunds:
https://www.singeronline.com/loshboca.html
https://www.singeronline.com/return-policy.html
Hmmm, here's a listing at Worthpoint (of course, at Worthpoint, you don't know the cost, nor even if it's still available without creating an account):
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This is a vintage SINGER sewing machine shuttle, bobbin and shuttle carrier from a 1905 Model #27 treadle machine. The serial # was B1089321. These parts are in great condition and can go right on your machine. The shuttle body is #8301 and the shuttle assemble is #8327. This model has the notch at the point, which would make it the VS No. 2. The shuttle carrier is part #8231. This shuttle can go on any Model #27 or #28 ever made, treadle or electric. If you are trying to get Grandma's machine going again, these parts will work great.
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https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/vintage-singer-sewing-machine-vs-504614108
Amazon (obviously not original equipment, but also not insanely expensive):
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Sewing Machine Shuttle Bobbin CASE (#8327) for Singer 27,28,127,128
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https://www.amazon.com/Sewing-Machine-Shuttle-Bobbin-Singer/dp/B07CKJFNVV
Alevvarisco, I'm going to try both to summarize and clarify what I think about trying to make your vintage sewing machine complete and operational.
What you have is an early 20th century (serial number S916378 was allotted in 1906) Singer model 28K with a questionable-looking shuttle:
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S- 887210 1162209 28K 275000 JULY-DEC. 1906
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http://ismacs.net/singer_sewing_machine_company/serial-numbers/singer-s-series-serial-numbers.html
Ideally, you should get a vintage replacement, which would be an early 20th century shuttle compatible with Singer models 27 and 28.
The only real difference between a model 27 and a model 28 is the size of the machine head casting, the 28 being a three-quarters size version of the 27:
https://www.singersewinginfo.co.uk/28
Per Wikipedia, they use the same shuttle:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singer_Model_27_and_127#Shuttle_changes
That listing for a shuttle assembly at Worthpoint looks pretty ideal:
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/vintage-singer-sewing-machine-vs-504614108
The source machine (serial number B1089321) was a Singer model 27 manufactured circa 1905:
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B- 1072401 1122400 27 50000 May 25 1905
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http://ismacs.net/singer_sewing_machine_company/serial-numbers/singer-b-series-serial-numbers.html
However, I don't know if that shuttle assembly at Worthpoint is still available.
If I were you, I wouldn't buy anything until I communicated with a vintage sewing machine expert. I am not an expert; I'm merely an old Internet surfer.
Here are some vintage sewing machine resource links I've collected over the last couple of years:
https://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/285089-vintage-sewing-machine-help
Please don't hesitate to ask for further clarification if what I've tried to tell you still isn't clear. :-)