Posted 12 years ago
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This plastic print is 2 1/2" by 2" mounted on very old paper, the plastic has small vertical grooves on it. And the brush colors are around it, I wonder where this came from what years.
Ivory painting ready to cut for a Oval Portrait Miniature | ||
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No nothing written on this, but its sure old!!
This was found in a box with papers, letters from 1868-1915
I believe it is a celluloid photo.
Hopefully scottvez or rniederman can add their input on this
Based off of appearance, it looks like an 1860s- 1870s tinted albumen print. It looks like the back paper was what the tinter used to match/ mix his colors for the tinting.
I am not sure I understand the "plastic print" part of the description. That is not something normally associated with an albumen.
There was an enamel process that added a layer of clear enamel over a photograph, thereby making it safe from water or other liquid spills.
Is there a way to take additional photos of the "grooves" in the plastic?
I wish I could see it in person!
scott
Scott i will get shots for you tomorrow, it is thick, looks like plastic
Can you scan it?
walk , This is a scan. Photos very close up withe the right light will show the grooves. and a corner shot of the piece will show how thick it is/ I will shot hese today and post here.
Is it Ivory?
http://albumen.conservation-us.org/technology/
reference to the Schreger lines in Ivory
http://albumen.conservation-us.org/library/c19/fry.html
I'm just guessing, let's see what scottvez has to say.
Thanks Walksoftly I looked at these pages i need some sample shot of Ivory prints or painting. I have ivory from my family we lived in Thailand 1960 for 3 years.
CW, needs to add a "Double LOVE IT"!!!!!!
Samples on this site
http://collections.museumca.org/?q=collection-item/h7577240
Walk i looked on the site the museum website the shots of these are terrible, dark.
I cant find any thing which looks like this, could be ivory with a print, and i now see the painting might be made to cut for an Oval Portrait Miniature?
Its now coming together, this must be Ivory, beautiful color, and ready to cut for a Oval Portrait Miniature.
I hadn't even paid attention to the unfinished/test colors outside the oval, but I had thought about Ivory miniatures.
It appears we may have an answer.
Looks like he/she is really putting up with the moment..lol...cute!..:-)
For bratjdd..the chair is a Victorian nursing chair
I don't know.
Looking at the hands, it does look more like a painting than a tinted photograph.
At first I thought it was photographic based, but I am no longer sure of that either!
Interesting image.
scott
Scott and Walksoftley i sent this to the best collector in USA Elle Shushan a nice women here is what she said. And her website
Hi Steve -
Yes, I think the painting is on ivory, over a photographic image.
Best,
Elle
http://www.portraitminiatures.com/home.htm
Most beautiful!
Here is a new email i received from a pro about portrait Miniatures
Hi Steve,
Thank you for the image. It does appear to be on ivory. Without seeing a close-up of the face it is hard to be sure, but it appears to be an early example of a photograph developed on ivory and then hand coloured.
This method, on an ivory or milk glass base, became quite common in the early 20C and so it may be that your portrait of c1860-1880 was copied as a photograph of a daguerreotype of that earlier date, and later developed on the ivory base.
I hope that helps?
Kind regards
Don Shelton
Auckland NZ
http://portrait-miniature.blogspot.com/