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    Posted 12 years ago

    BHock45
    (807 items)

    Here is the first knife I came across. There are two others. I can use as much info. as possible. Thanks!

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    1. scottvez scottvez, 12 years ago
      Nazi SA Dagger.

      Like all nazi items they are heavily reproduced.

      The patina on the metal on the handle looks odd. I don't know these well enough to give you an opinion on authenticity.

      scott
    2. mrmajestic1 mrmajestic1, 12 years ago
      I'm with scottvez, looks iffy to me also. Most I've ever seen have ebonized handle scales.
    3. BHock45 BHock45, 12 years ago
      Hey guys thanks for responding so quickly. Its totally possible this is a reproduction, let me go through his photos and see if I can't find some evidence. There are two other daggers I will post. They could very well be fakes also.
    4. blunderbuss2 blunderbuss2, 12 years ago
      "ebonized handle scales"? This is the SA(Brown Shirt) dagger & from pics appears orig.. The finish on the ones I know don't appear to have a truly "varnished" look to them but this has obviously been exposed more than any I have dealt with so can't really judge by that. My opinion without handling is that it is real. Appears to have even the correct markings on the hand guard. I have all the info somewhere if you have trouble getting it appraised.
    5. Militarist Militarist, 12 years ago
      looks like it could have been stored in a damp place for a long time.
    6. BHock45 BHock45, 12 years ago
      blunderbuss2 and militarist thank you for your opinions as well. I will continue to post the lot. Let's see what this will bring. Thanks!
    7. blunderbuss2 blunderbuss2, 12 years ago
      Did a little research & here is what I came up with. I noticed the lack of a "RZM" marking but that was not started until 1936. Many makers used a thicker varnish in the early years. Early models had better metal in the grip pieces, scabbard & hanger (often solid nickel). I can't quite make out the small marks on the guard above maker's mark but if you give it to me, I can tell you what area it was from. You have an original I'm certain. What colour was the orig. paint on the scabbard as that can tell a lot as most were brown but some were black.
    8. BHock45 BHock45, 12 years ago
      blunderbuss2, thanks so much for looking into this for me. I recall what you are talking about. When I looked it over earlier I saw these letters. They were:

      He
    9. blunderbuss2 blunderbuss2, 12 years ago
      "He" is Hesson. Is the scabbard laquered or anodized? It appears yours is from 1934 & before 1936. I'm sure you have the real thing.
    10. BHock45 BHock45, 12 years ago
      blunderbuss2 thanks so much for helping, really!! I will get back to you about the scabbard. If you have a second could you glance at the flags I posted? I know you don't do this anymore but you're knowledge is great. After that post I am done with this stuff too!!! I have some bullets, looks like a leather pilot cap with goggles or something, and a thick packet of pictures and letters. That is all. Thanks again everyone for the help tonight!!!!

      Flags: http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/81347-3-nazi-flags-help-please?in=user
    11. blunderbuss2 blunderbuss2, 12 years ago
      Have a French friend here who collects this stuff. I'll see him tomorrow & ask. The flags & all your stuff appears genuine to me from the pics..
    12. BHock45 BHock45, 12 years ago
      great thanks blunderbuss2 that would be great.
    13. mrmajestic1 mrmajestic1, 12 years ago
      I am wrong. This very well could be a original, and I apologize for my failure to recognize it.
    14. blunderbuss2 blunderbuss2, 12 years ago
      Showed all this to the "Frog" & he says he is getting rid of stuff like I am. Sorry.
    15. bluemax1914 bluemax1914, 12 years ago
      Looks good, early piece with a three-piece (rare) original hanger, rare maker, and nice blonde grip, Gau marked to "Hesse". Congrats on a great find!
    16. BHock45 BHock45, 12 years ago
      Hey everyone, I was wondering if someone could help me with one question. I am wondering which of my three daggers is the most valuable. I can only keep one. There is of course this one and these two:

      http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/81341-dagger-3
      http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/81340-dagger-2

      Regardless of the condition which is the most rare or the most valuable. Thanks so much!!!
    17. blunderbuss2 blunderbuss2, 12 years ago
      My opinion is keep the SA dagger as it is real early & worth a lot more.
    18. BHock45 BHock45, 12 years ago
      Thank you blunderbuss2 for your quick response. I will of course do exactly that! Thanks so much for your help once again. Talk to you soon. Later.

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