Posted 11 years ago
Agram.m
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This was from my grandmother and I use it time to time for cookies or sweets. A blue (Chinese, Dutch??) antique blue bowl and marked (Dutch sword silver mark, see photo) silver handle.
There is no mark at all on the bowl itself. That's why I ask your advise??
From which country could this bowl come from? The handle is Dutch I know because the Dutch mark.
I am sure that the whole piece was probably made in Holland/ The Netherlands. The Dutch, and the British were early travelers to their colonies in Asia, and their pottery was influenced by the Chinese & Japanese porcelain styles.
maryh1956, your name here thinks of that of my sister: Marijke, nice!
Thanks for your suggestion I think so too, but to be sure I ask my fellow collectors because I don't know much of Art pottery.
I'd say Chinese, agram! Nice piece. 19th century?
vetrai050, thanks for your always interesting replies. It's old that's for sure. It was from my grandma (1882-1978) but because the bowl itself has no stamps at all I don't know it's Chinese or Dutch. The handle is definitively Dutch because there is a Dutch mark on it. I'm afraid the real origin will always be a mystery!
Thanks a lot anyway!!
mustangtony, nldionne and PhilDavidAlexanderMorris thanks for loving and interest.
Just a thought though, Agram: is it porcelain or faience? Porcelain would mean Chinese, I'd say ...... and vice versa, no? It looks like porcelain to me. A view of the bottom might help too. There's a long history of putting silver on porcelain. (cf Dawn Golden Age, edited by Ger Luijten, Ariane Van Suchtele)
http://books.google.com.au/books?id=CKPy1pt2H-wC&pg=PA443&lpg=PA443&dq=dutch+silver+mounts+on+Chinese+porcelain.&source=bl&ots=obyWmbSalb&sig=rBOQbA8aTrjEgy7riW5_iMnAZwk&hl=en&sa=X&ei=5ebAUY_dFY6skgWk7oDwAg&ved=0CCoQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=dutch%20silver%20mounts%20on%20Chinese%20porcelain.&f=false
For other comments search google with this : "dutch silver mounts on Chinese porcelain." You'll get lots of hits on the general topic. It was seen as very chic!
i got no knowledge of this, but let,s give a try in the hope i won,t make myself ridicolous, i got a few assumptous ( next time give us the reverse- flip side for the kilnpitting ! )
how do we might be committed, datewise These sword marks used 1814-1905 and also used This sword mark was used 1906-1953,
personnalyi think we are in the elogated sword and not in the fat sword, and second of all we are not in a stand alone sword but probably a precurser of the sword + numerals ( fading office mark maybe)
second question is , is the mounting very much later then the original plate
actually your remark was is it old ( so is it Kangxi or a bit up- yongzheng or early qianlong
no it aint real old, IMO the glazing is off and the floral design is bogus,
3 third questions , how do you compromise possible chinese florals blue white 20 centery floral , well i don,t know but probably they stick to the early ming tradition , and this floral design is bogus
so i think it is dutch late interbellum porcelain , but i am guessing
correction early qing tradition