Posted 11 years ago
Hardbrake
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Texas Indian Troubles Illustrated by Hilory .G. Bedford of Benjamin, Texas. Printed in 1905 by the Hargreaves Printing co. Inc, Dallas, Texas. This first edition was once the property of Mr. John Westley Adam of Decatur, Texas and noted 1870's Texas Ranger. It was passed down to his daughter after the passing of both Mr and Mrs. Adams. This book has been professionally rebound using the original front cover of the book. The book itself is completely in tact containing all pages. This book has several hand written notes inside it on different pages which describe both people and places known to the Adams family. Mr. H.G. Bedford is noted as a family friend as well as others. The book contains 43 chapters by 43 different people whom have related their personal conflicts with Indians in the state of Texas. I have read this book several times and in reading this book I am compelled to reread chapter 19. Entitled "Negro Brit's Family" starting on page 99 and ending on 102, I have found this chapter, one the most compelling love stories hidden inside a booked filled with violence, hate, ignorance, bigotry and loss. This chapter was not written by Mr Brit, whom I latter identified as Brit Johnson but friends who were dismayed that his story was not both widely known but felt that a monument should have been built on the spot where this "Man" fell. Please note that Mr. Britt Johnson had display such a great devotion and love for his family that one can only view him in awe. This book has been reprinted and is currently available for anyone who would like to read it. First editions are quite expensive and a bit hard to find, this first edition combined with the personal notes makes it the star of my western book collection. In photographing this book I looked for a way to show and express what I felt the book contained and I used a copy of my book Carbine & Lance by Colonel W.S. Nye to support Texas Indian Troubles as well as point out that while reading it I found a report of the killing of Brit Johnson made by an Indian who took part in the fight. If you find yourself reading either books you will find these stories compelling.
Great how you did your posting!
Yeah. Are these artifacts yours? Great display & collection.
Thank you, and to answer your question, yes the artifacts are mine the arrowheads I found in New Mexico, California, Utah as well as Oklahoma. The large spear point was found around Mittland, MO.. The ammo is mostly rim fire and are seldom seen anymore. They consist of a 32 short, 41 short, 44 flat, 56-46 Spencer, 56-52 Spencer. The center fire rounds are a 45-70 1892 military round and a 40-60. There is an 1881 inside primed 45-70 military round also. I collect the American West and these rounds feed the weapons of the period. I like to collect both ammo and arrowheads but to find an arrowhead is the most excitement for me. Hardbrake
Well, you have some of the rare cartridges. As a kid in the 50's, I collected cartridges so know enough to be dangerous. You throw in "inside primed". I have an idea of what it might be but would like to hear it from somebody "in-the-know". I certainly know the diff. between Boxer & Berdan as I used to reload. Miss a lot of this since I left Uncle Sambo's Plantation. I'm happy with blk pdr. now but have the 9 for anything serious. To be honest, I deal a bit on the side & usually can get what anybody needs. Recently, the crap up there has cramped my style.
Thank you for the question and to give you the brake down on the inside primed round in a nut shell here it is. Between the metal Arrowhead and the flint spare point there is a large copper cased 45-70 which has a 405 grain bullet. You will see crimp marks just above the the rim of the casing. The primer was healed in place by this crimp. This form of priming was used for a very short time because the black power would kill the primer over a short time. 40 years I picked up a box containing 60 rounds of this ammo. I tried to shot a couple of these rounds with no luck. In a Springfield trapdoor so I took them apart and reloaded the bullet and power in modern casing as fired it that way. Please note I will not do that any more.
Actually, I never had any of those but remember seeing a few at gun shows but never thought about it. Now I know. So the regular style primer was used & this was a kind of booster? I reloaded .45-70 quite a bit in days long gone as I had a number of the 73's, 84's & a Remington-Lee navy. Isn't the 405 gr the modern weight? As I remember, the gov't. rd. carried a 500gr bullet. So much to learn & so little time. The copper cases are the really old ones as you know.
The military round which this inside primed round is was manufactured by the Frankford Arsenal (F A 4 81) and head stamp as such. It has a 405 grain bullet backed by approximately 67 (+ -) grains of ffg black power. Commercial ammo produced for civilian markets came in many different weights and one of them being 500 grains. When I tried to fire these antique inside primed rounds and they failed to fire I took them apart with a bullet puller and I had to dig out the black as it was as hard as a rock (I used a brass tool) and once I scraped all of it out, I weighed it and out of approximately 8 rounds they all weighed about the same. I wish I had not shot them as they are valued at about 15.00 each now and I only have 10 left. If you can obtain a copy of Cartridges of the World they give a very good out line on antique loads for the 45-70. Please note that I miss typed one of the rounds in an earlier answer as a 32 short when in fact I have displayed a 44 American. In the early 1800 the 44 came in many different cal. The 44 American, 44 Russian and several more like the 44-40 also know as the Winchester 1874. As far as the inside primer on these rounds it was healed in place by crimps in the casing and when the base of the casing (casing head) was hit by the firing pin, it acted like a regular primer but the casing are copper and cannot be reloaded as the primer was inside the case at the bottom.
J'comprende. So the soft copper didn't allow reloading. Seen cases crimped like that but really never gave it much thought. I used to carry a '92 Winchester & 1901 Colt Frontier in .32-20 but found the load a bit too weak in the rifle & '92 carbine. (forgot I had both). I liked the .44-40's I had better.
It's not that the copper did not allow reloading but the used primer could not be removed as to replace with a new one. I will be posting several item I still have not photographed on C.W. that are firearms or related to firearms. One is an 18 inch factory 1892 in 44-40 as will as a 95, 86, 1901, and a 97.
I think memory is returning after an absence of, I don't remember how long of course. The primer face was made as part of the case, right? Sorry, but it has been a long day & crashing. Follow-up later.
I believe that the primer was slid into the casing and crimped in behind the casing at just below the marks on the side of the casing. I tried to remove them years ago and was unable to with out destroying the casing. Copper casing were to soft anyway as the casing expanded way to much and when fired in a rifle that way hot the extractor would cut the casing at the head and fail to remove the casing. This was a problem at the Little Big Horn along with many other things not to bring up the idiot that was leading the 7th Cav.