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Posted 13 years ago
susan
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Dating from the 1930's this dish is a production piece so no designer can be associated with it at this point.
In normal daylight this dish appears to be amber but it reacts very strongly to UV light and glows bright green.
With thanks to Ivo and Christine GMB
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There is a discussion about this dish elsewhere, and it seem's there might be some
dispute about it's origins ?? watch this space for more info.
I dont care where it comes from, i love it :-)
Really nice! An interesting tale to be told, I'm sure. There's lots to learn here about Reijmyre, Kosta and others........
Who was Jules. H . Venon? An importer of Swedish material ( glass and ceramics). He was able to patent the design of your plate in the US on June 12 1928.... so it is from the late '1920's.
There's another plate, a green one @ http://clicksnipwow.com/chataboutdg/img4818.htm
Hi Vetraio, you never cease to amaze me with your depth of knowledge,
So, is the design Venon's and the glass Reijmyre, or is it all Reijmyre and venon just took the oportunity to patent the design?
As you say, a lot to learn.
Reijmyre last year celebrated its 200th anniversary. A long life but it had its problems. In 1926 it went bankrupt and closed down most of the works. It didn't get operating again until 1932.
Perhaps he bought the designs?
Hi Susan. I have contacted Sweden about an attribution to Reijmyre and have received a negative reply from one of the authors of a new book on Reijmyre.
I have hit a wall at this stage.
Very nice, good catch here....I am still digging though my storage room that has all I have collected from parents , grandparents and greatgrands....it is so much fun, I keep everything, working in media made me do this....anyway, if I see anymore I will let you know.
Hi Vetraio50, i think that there are so many world resepected knowlageable people looking into this design, i am sure the truth will come to light one day
Hi Susan! As you know I hit a wall with the idea of Reijmyre. But in my research on Jules H. Venon I came across some other pieces that he also patented around that period. It seems he made annual visits to Europe on buying expeditions.
I found an adddress and details for him noting that he sold out of a shop :
43 to 51 W 4th St, New York, NY
o Sole Agency in North America for:
? China by Charles Martin, Limoges France
? China by Kornilow Bros, St Petersburg, Russia
? Gustafsberg fabrics, Gustafsberg, Sweden
? Kosta Glassware, Kosta, Sweden
But in one of the patents applications is a vase/glass pattern called Soldfjader (United States design patent number 72,506 by J.H. Venon April 19, 1927.) It can be found on the site : http://www.clicksnipwow.com/chataboutdg/img15258.search.htm
There has been discussion on the net and on GMB about this pattern. It seems that it is now accepted as a Pukeberg piece designed by their designer of those days: Harald Elof Notini (1879 - 1959).
So I went looking for items by Notini. Few itemsare documented on the net except for this Soldfjader or "fan" pattern.
I also had another look at the lion. Was it a cat or a lion? I looked at gryphons, St Mark's winged lion and finally did a google search of "pukeberg lions" and bingo!
There are quite a few mentioned with titles like "roaring lions"and "lion heads".
I have sent some emails to these sellers asking for any documentation they might have. As yet no replies, but I will let you know when they arrive.
And I've seen that Ivo believes it is Reijmyre and not Pukeberg.
So Pukeberg or Reijmyre. Designer unknown, but could be Harald Notini if it's Pukeberg.
The people who know of this plate are collectors of "vaseline glass".
Notini also designed lamps for Böhlmarks which are worth a look!
I've read that the Pukeberg Museum has reference to the "roaring lion plate".
When I come across more I'll let you know.
Referring to a brand new article, written by Börje A Y Åkerblom in the Swedish magasin Antik & Auktion nr 2 Feb. 2012, the plate with the lion is produced at Pukeberg Sweden and the creator is Jules Henri Venon.
Venon emigrated to US from France in the end of 20th century. Venon started in 1910 to take patent on a lot of glass ware. He imported a lot of glass ware from Sweden, starting with Reijmyre and then Pukeberg. Later on Venon cooperated with a lot of the glass companies in Sweden f. o. Alsterbro glasbruk, and Kosta.
Here are some facts of the Patent for the Lion:
Jules Henry Venon filed Patent on this Plate and similar articles in March 26, 1927
And I think he had got the patent at June 12, 1928
Venon Plate Design Patent D 75535-1
I think you may find this, if googling for some of these facts.
Many years ago I got the plate “Lion” as a heritage from a brother to my grandfather.
My plate is made of clear glass I am very happy to know the facts of it now, as I have not found anything about it before.
Thanks Mariehem for this update.
Börje A Y Åkerblom's site is indeed a fountain of information, too!
A question, though: did Börje make any mention of Harald Notini?
Wow V, you deeply impress me.
Hi, thank you for the information, i love glass and the research into the origin's of each piece i collect, any information is always appreciated.
Thank You x
Vetraio50,
About your question if BAY mentioned Notini, I have to say no. There is nothing about Notini in this article.
As I can read in the article, Venon started to have Reijmyre to produce his glass, with Venons patterns.
When Venon got knowledge that Reijmyre was closed down in 1926 he immediately asked Pukeberg to buy all the American glass forms and all other accessories and go on producing the glass wares. He also suggested Pukeberg to employ the glass blowers from Reijmyre.
The management of Pukeberg did their best to fulfil Venons request. Venon found that now it was the right moment for Pukeberg to enlarge their production for the American market with further models of glass. During years 1926-1929 Pukeberg made a lot of glass for this marked and even published several export catalogs.
Many thanks Mariehem! Venon certainly had good timing.
I'm reminded of a phrase I came across: "Reijmyre glassworks usually likened to a cat - it's said that it has nine lives."
Since operations began in 1810, the story alongside the successes sometimes characterized by closures and restructurings. "
Last year marked its 200th year anniversary.
An important closure came in 1926 when the plant went bankrupt.
It really didn't resurface until 1932 with a new ownership of Gustaf E. Nilsson of Lotorp .
Jules. H . Venon had a series of patents issued during this period. In each case he signed as the 'inventor' of the design.
According to the US Patent Office: Jules Henri Venon was born Ronen (sic), France 21 APR 1871. (Perhaps Ronen is a mistake and should be Rouen.)
The following site shows some of the glass and the patents that were sold through his shop located 43-51 West 4th Street, New York. Later he had shops on Fifth Avenue and in Los Angeles as well. NY.http://clicksnipwow.com/chataboutdg/search.htm?search_keywords=Venon
The patent for the cat plate plate appears on page 3.
I believe he owned the patents for these items. But was he their designer? Probably not; it might have been possible to buy them after the bankruptsy in 1926.
At the Patents Office he signed as the 'inventor' of the cat plate.
I remember from my research that Venon made annual buying trips to Europe Between 1902 and 1922, Jules applied for 9 renewals of his passport to make his annual buying trip, typically of 3 month duration, to numerous named countries abroad. On each application, he stated that he was the president and buyer of his firm, J. H. Venon, Inc., importer of china & glassware, located 43-51 West 4th Street, New York, NY.
What it highlights is the role of the importer.
Venon's timing was important in his success.
He needed to be there as well.
He provided impetus for the restructuring and development of Pukeberg.
Vetraio50, I am very impressed for all your knowledge about the subject!
Here you can find a pitures of another of those items in a Swedish forum.
I really love it. There are a lot of his pieces in the magasin who are absolutly adorable.
http://precisensan.com/antikforum/showthread.php?31921-Glas-fr%E5n-Pukeberg&highlight=Pukeberg
There is also my pictures of my plate with the Lion.
I myself had the same questions that you mentioned about the possibility that Venon owned the patents, but had bought it from some other designer.
Perhaps will we never know the fully thruth about it, but for now it will be known as Venons design.
Thanks for that reference Mariehem. I think I recognise the glass at the top of the page. I think that the glass pattern's name is SOLDJADER – fan pattern. 72506-1
I think the Swedish term used in the article is Snäcka.
As I said before most of the people who have some knowledge about Venon are collectors of 'vaseline glass'. On Collector's Weekly there is a movement for the collecting of glass that glows under 'blue light'. This plate will also give that glow.
Venon patented that glass too! .... 72506-1. The pattern has a variety of names for collectors in the US especially it is called: Turkey, Tracks, Fan, and even Pukeberg!
There is a copy of the basic pattern and the US patent at this address:
http://clicksnipwow.com/chataboutdg/cat986.htm
At the same address you will find the drawing and US patent for your plate as well: http://clicksnipwow.com/chataboutdg/img15270.htm
The patent is the next image.
There is also an image of a lion glass that I have not as yet seen other than this image: http://clicksnipwow.com/chataboutdg/img15262.htm
Note the dates of the patent is in 1927, June 21. This is a year earlier than the patent application for your plate on June 12, 1928.
You can see quite a nice collection of the 'vaseline glass' pieces here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/auggiearniethom/2923301772/
I don't have any myself.
I have not yet been able to get a lion's head plate, but I would like one.
Thanks for that, vetraio50
I figured there were two different patterns called Snäcka and Solfjäder (Fan), but now I can see this may be my mistake. The Pattern Snäcka(Seashell) may sometimes be called Fan, from the rather similar pattern.
Here you can find some more pictures: I took photos mostly from the article in Antik & Auktion and made a new album in my Picasa collection.
https://picasaweb.google.com/109222458807469199256/VenonGlasPukeberg?authkey=Gv1sRgCKO7lc6imK7UvwE
I don´t exactly know what 'vaseline glass' means. Does it mean the way it is made in a form? If so, we call it 'pressglas' in Sweden.
Now I´ll have a look at the Collector´s weekly - 'blue light'
Now I have found the answer of my question about 'vaseline glass' here in Collectors weekly.
Scandinavian pieces, Susan, ventraio50 and all others who are interested in this glass,
Sent a mail to Börje A Y Åkerblom (BAY) with our questions and today he kindly answered me.
BAY is a well-known expert of Swedish glass .
.
He wrote that it is not easy to find exactly facts of old Swedish glass. Therefore, he says, we have to provide that Venon is the designer as he was the one who asked for the patents and no one else is mentioned.
BAY also said that at Pukeberg´s factory today there is no one who has the fully knowledge about the old glass and you can even find some wrong facts in their description of their showed old collection.
About H. Notini he said that Notini essentially was designing armatures for Pukeberg. Moreover glass pieces that for sure are of Notini´s design have quite another style. Therefore BAY thought Notini did not have anything to do with this the design of these pieces.
Sorry if I express myself in a funny way or maybe rude. It is not easy for me to discuss in your language. ?
Hi Mariehem! Many thanks for your contributions, expressed so well in English. I just wish that I had such facility with Swedish. Thanks too to you Susan for providing us with this forum on your plate. Thanks too go to CW for the platform!
I made som changing of the name of my album, as I put in pictures with another vase that I don´t know the designer of. That caused a new name of the album.
The new link is:
https://picasaweb.google.com/109222458807469199256/VenonGlasPukebergOchDiverseAnnat?authkey=Gv1sRgCO2bo5LXnJuhDg
Many thanks Mariehem.
I especially liked the Starkvinsglaset Lejon & Vinglaset Sjöjungfrun!
I am fascinated by your discussion about Jules H. Venon as he is my grandfather. I never knew Jules, but is only son, Claude H. Venon, is still alive at 88. I have been asking my father is he remembers discussion of these designs and will post if I learn anything new.
Welcome Venon, i am so glad you found this forum, now maybe we will find some answer's to our questions !
I also think that maybe I should file this discussion into a permanent folder to my computer with a backup so that it never get's lost.
I want to thank you all for your continued help.
I too would love to hear more about the Venon's. Thanks to venon and her/his father!
This discussion thread should go down in CW history!
Vetraio 50 and Mariehem, I cannot thank you enough for all your information, but now another question come's to mind, what colour's did they come in? so far we have seen yours in clear and mind in Vaseline, is there any mention of other colour's for this plate?
beautiful piece!!!
And so much additional fun to read the exchange of info from the experts. Thanks to all for sharing.
I will also say welcome to Venon! It is at great step forward to have you here in this discussion. Let´s hope we can get more news on the Venon glassware.
As Susan says, this thread maybe creates history about Venon´s glassware.
I am Jules Venon's granddaughter Claudia Venon. My sister also joined this site. It is fascinating to hear more information about our grandfather's designs and history, as much is unknown to us.
I have many inherited glass and china pieces that I will post soon as well as any other info related.
Thanks!
Claudia
Welcome to you too, Claudia! I really esteem if you will post more pics and facts!
Is this site not amazing!
Welcome Claudia!
I have recently acquired a set of I think Pukeberg Roaring Lion Goblets in Amber Vaseline! I have never found mention of the goblets matching the plates?
Hi ggc! I hope they are the ones patented by Venon recorded here:
http://clicksnipwow.com/chataboutdg/img15262.htm
You will see some in the pages here of a magazine:
https://picasaweb.google.com/109222458807469199256/VenonGlasPukebergOchDiverseAnnat?authkey=Gv1sRgCO2bo5LXnJuhDg
Congratulations! Hope to see them soon on CW!
a year or two ago, i bought a large plate at Urban Ore in Berkeley - designed / patented by jules h. venon, reproduced in sweden. this is the design: http://clicksnipwow.com/chataboutdg/img15238.htm
i gave it to my sister and was just looking for a photo of it today. what a coincidence to stumble upon it by reading through your post of a very different kind of plate.
Serendipity rules!
hi vetraio50! They look the same as the patent thanks for the info, I posted pics http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/67698-pukeberg-roaring-lion-goblets
Any Idea of values?
I wonder if susan and mariehem are still getting updates? http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/67698-pukeberg-roaring-lion-goblets#comment-227315
I hope that the Venon's too Claudia and her sister will hear about the new finds!
Hi. Natalie Venon here. Yes, I am reading the conversation and am quite fascinated by the new finds. We know so little about our grandfather, it is as though he has come alive through these posts.
Hi Natalie! I've just emailed the guy in Sweden who wrote the article in ”Antik och Auktion" nr 2 februari 2012. His name is Borje A Y Akerblom.
I left a message on his blog:
http://bayakerblom.wordpress.com/2012/01/31/antik-auktion/#respond
Hi Natalie! Discovering your grandfather and the history behind these pieces of art glass is so cool! I discovered this thread yesterday and searched your grandfathers patents and I may have some more pieces your grandfather held patents on too! I'm really enjoying the research. I've had some of the lionhead pieces for so many years and never knew the history behind them! I'll add some more pictures soon!
Don
isnt this lalique?
Hi,
I am still here, but I have not found out anything new about this glass. Probably are there more pieces of them in the States than in Sweden, as most of it seems to be produced for the US market.
Hi, i agree with Mariehem, there are probably more pieces in the States than anywhere else, even less in England, but i suspect there are even more of Venon's designs that will come to light.
There is little more i can do from this end but, i will keep my eye's open.
Hi Susan. Check out ebay for two glasses available at the mo'!
Hi Vetraio50, what side of the pond? cant seem to find them.
Bye the way, have you seen my new piece?
It was in the US. One was buy it now the other an auction. The have disappeared. Sorry!
Hi susan! Found them! "Unusual old wine stem with frosted" will get you there! Six available. "Unusual green and clear lion stemmed" is a single item. Not cheap, but a set of six.
Thanks, found one the other one must have gone :-(
Hi Susan. I think even the green one has been re-listed and is available at auction. with him in Columbus.
Hi all, this post is not about the lion face plate, but on the http://www.glas-musterbuch.de
is a catalogue page for early Reijmyre, i thought i would put it here for future referance
http://www.glas-musterbuch.de/Reijmyre-1897.165.0.html
Hi Everyone,
I wondered if you would comment on what looks like it may be another of Jules H. Venon patented designs. The patent is referenced here: http://chataboutdg.com/gallery/img15258.htm
There are several pieces at auction on ebay described as "Antique Pukeberg vaseline royal fan ruby red". Is it possible these are one of Venon's designs?
Hi, i think they are by Jules, but that is just my opinion.
Also i found this, could this be our man Jules? notice his occupation
http://wiz.ancestry.com/Preview/?sub=402948097&dbid=1174&url=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.com%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fgsln%3dVenon%26gspl%3d35%26gss%3dangs-g%26pcat%3dROOT_CATEGORY%26h%3d1101647%26recoff%3d7%26db%3dUSpassports%26indiv%3d1%26requr%3d402948097%26ur%3d0&gsfn=&gsln=Venon&h=1101647
sorry for the VERY!! long link, i don't know how to shorten it.
There is also information about one Jules Henri Venon in the Ellis Island record's showing he sailed from Le Harve on the ship Paris and arrived in New York on September 9th 1922.
This information may be irrelevant, but it may be of some use to his family members here on the forum, i hope it helps.
Hi again!
venon's comment # 56 is about the pattern called 'Soldfjader ' which was a Jules H Venon patented design. By the way you will find even more at the chatabout link!
use the name venon in the search at the top right and you you will get here:
http://chataboutdg.com/gallery/search.htm
This thread started some time ago. Can I suggest just re-reading it again? The fan pattern is mentioned in comment #9 onwards. Mariehem also gave us this link:
http://precisensan.com/antikforum/showthread.php?31921-Glas-fr%E5n-Pukeberg&highlight=Pukeberg
The link to a picasaweb gallery in comment #20 has been taken down.
But Marit's link at picaswaeb still has the pages from the Antik magazine with more pix is still alive in comment #24.
Susan, did you happen to buy that lion head glass on ebay from eriksonman? I was the other bidder and did not see it go. I was so excited to finally see something of my grandfather's designs. Maybe someone knows where else I may try to acquire one? Natalie Venon
Hi Venon, sorry no it wasn't me, i have been in bed with the flu! :-( and my daughter is due to deliver a new baby any day now so very busy here.
Hi Susan,
I was hoping it was you because you are so fond of the pieces and without you, I would never have discovered information about my grandfather. I hope you recover from your flu soon and congratulations on your new baby grandchild! I really am very appreciative of everything you have initiated in this conversation series.
Hi Susan and All, I showed the photograph in the passport from the link in comment #56 to my father, Claude Venon, and he said that is not a photo of Jules. Possibly it is just a sample photo. I do have one photo of Jules that I will forward to the group. Also, Vetrio50, you are absolutely right, there is so much information in this thread. I re-read everything and the answers to my questions were all right there! Thanks to you and your amazing research.
I had a look at that passport link and you're right it was just a sample photo to get you signed up. I didn't pursue it. I'm sure there are others who are keen on getting pieces of his glass. It's a shame that some of the links that had collections of his work are now dead. There are some available on the net but the prices can be extraordinary now.
The wings to the side of the lion's head have me fascinated, still! The winged lion is the symbol of St Mark the Evangelist and therefore the Republic of Venice. But it is also Shedu in Sumerian and Akkadian mythology associated with the god Isum - a fire-god, the herald of the Babylonian gods, brother of Samas.
The design of the foliate border is pure Art Deco too! Have you seen the entrance to the Pythian Temple in New York City? Its grand entrance combines Egyptian and Babylonian art and architectural elements.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythian_Temple_(New_York_City)
Can I add something from my comments on the glasses of glowingglass on CW?
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/67698-pukeberg-roaring-lion-goblets
"I've also had another look at the Swedish antique magazine photos:
https://picasaweb.google.com/109222458807469199256/VenonGlasPukebergOchDiverseAnnat?authkey=Gv1sRgCO2bo5LXnJuhDg#5699644085977152178
If you look at the photos it seems there are liqueur glasses in the Photo 1 and Photo 4. They also show a much larger glass that look like it might be for water.
The full suite must have been amazing!
In the article they mention that the set was made for the “Svenska Amerikalinjen” or "Sweden-America Line" and was patented by Venon in 1927. "
Perhaps your father may know about why these plates were created for the "Sweden-America Line"?
Hello! It's seems there are a couple of ebay sellers are now claiming Jules holds the patents on their pukeberg items in their listings lately. One ebayer is claiming his shrimp cocktails with inserts is a design patented by Jules. I didn't think they match! It sorta looks like it. But I'm no expert! But thought Mariehem might like to check it out! and knows what this pattern is? Inviting any comments on these pieces. What design are they? I've seen a few of these cocktails go for half the price he's asking over the last 12years I've been on ebay. So they are not extremely rare. Just search jules venon and the items will show up!
Hi Everyone,
I posted a photo of Jules H. Venon and his wife, Gabrielle Clemence Venon, on my collections page (venon) for those of you who are interested.
Natalie
Many thanks Natalie!
All the best for the Festive Season SUSAN,
Thank you !! Merry Christmas to you and a fruitful NewYear, i had the greatest Christmas present ever, a new grandson made an early appearance, 6lb 140z and called Frankie, that makes four grandchildren under the age of five years !! it's no wonder i don't have a lot of time for my passion.
I also have a new little glass hoffman lady in neodymium, will try to post a photo soon xx