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kibogoyo786
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hello everyone am from Africa seeking expert please advise are these original coins or reatrick thanks
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Hi, kibogoyo786. :-)
I was unfamiliar with the history of the Maria Theresa Thaler in Africa, so I had to do some research:
http://www.theresia.name/en/
They have a chart comparing the various versions of the Maria Theresa Thaler:
https://www.theresia.name/en/svergleich.html
My own interest in the basic thaler was piqued some years back when I first learned of its influence on U.S. currency. The very word "dollar" derives from thaler:
http://www.bbc.com/travel/story/20200107-welcome-to-jchymov-the-czech-town-that-invented-the-dollar
great information thanks keramikos!
RichmondLori, You're welcome. :-)
I found it fascinating, because I love language.
kibogoyo786, I'm sorry if my previous comments haven't provided clarity with regard to the original/re-strike and your coin(s) question, but I'm definitely not a coin expert.
However, it sounds to me like your coin in the first picture isn't a 1780 or 1781, because it has the phrase AVST.DUX instead of AUST.DUX (on the reverse side of the coin).
It also sounds like your coin in the second picture is an 1850 or later strike, because of the "S.F." (on the obverse side of the coin):
*snip*
Key identification characteristics for the 1780 strikes are in particular the form of the brooche in the veil on the obverse (no pearls, except for the later Vienna mint strike), the form of the letter 'U' in the reverse (AUST.DUX instead of AVST.DUX), the form of the cross next to the the year on the obverse, and the form of the ' 7 ' in the year. Older Vienna mint strikes (earlier than 1850) are signed I.C.-F.A. instead of S.F.
*snip*
https://www.theresia.name/en/svergleich.html
FYI, I wasn't quite sure what they meant by "brooche" in the text at the bottom of the page of coin comparisons.
A bit of further research suggests that the "brooche" reference is to an ornamental yet functional head/hair device that secures the veil. In English, it's normally spelled "brooch" for the singular, and "brooches" for plural:
https://infovisual.info/en/clothing/brooch-and-hair
https://www.taniamaras.com/wedding-veils-and-headpieces-layered-look/
The head/hair device depicted on the coin looks to me more like a tiara, but I suppose it could be a large, curved comb.
Bottom line: I don't think the coin(s) in your post images depict 1780 or 1781 coins.
Almost certainly an early 20th Century restrike. (If not then a more recent one)
These coins were more readily accepted as currency than USD in parts of many African countries until well into the 1970's & 80's.
Rightly so if you ask me... If I lived a hand to mouth kind of agrarian or herding lifestyle and someone offered me something in exchange for my cow or maize, I'd much rather a big silver coin than a bunch of paper with funny looking pictures on it!
APEXantiques, Thanks for weighing in on this. :-)