Posted 3 years ago
JamesSt95
(3 items)
Hello, all.
This is my first time posting to this website so please be patient with me if I have quit learned all of the rules yet. This is a “Hermès” scarf my girlfriend bought without knowing who Hermès is. I was wondering if anyone could help me authenticate it? I am not sure if it is real or fake. Based off of the web I found that hand rolled edge with the exact same color thread, is one sign. Another sign is it says Hermès, sometimes the designers name; in this case Henry. Lastly it also says “Fluers et papillons de tissus” in the center.
Hi, JamesSt95. :-)
You're doing pretty well so far. You've posted four pictures, with one full image of the scarf, and the other three containing good clues (the Hermès name with the copyright character, the artist's name, and the hem), and pointed out a fourth clue in your text (the name of the scarf/shawl) "Fluers et papillons de tissus").
That latter clue made it easy to find. Hermès did indeed put out a scarf/shawl designed by Christine Henry with that name, in quite a few color schemes, two different sizes (90 x 90 cm and 140 x 140 cm) , and two different fiber contents (pure silk and a silk/cashmere blend), e.g.:
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/546061523544786619/
https://www.vintage-hermes-scarf.com/product/fleurs-et-papillons-de-tissus-cashmere-hermes-shawl/
https://www.vintage-hermes-scarf.com/product/fleurs-et-papillons-de-tissus-hermes-scarf/
https://exquisiteartichoke.com/products/hermes-scarf-fleurs-et-papillons-de-tissus-by-christine-henry-90cm-silk
http://silkknots.hermes.com/share/index.php?type=collection&lang=en&id=37
https://www.fashionphile.com/p/hermes-cashmere-silk-fleurs-et-papillons-de-tissus-shawl-140-fuchsia-606322
I am definitely not an expert, but unfortunately, I don't think your scarf is a genuine Hermès. :-(
The first thing that catches the eye is the way the hem was done. It's not at all the way Hermès hems are done.
Also, it doesn't have "Hermès-Paris" printed near the hem like the other "Fluers et papillons de tissus" scarves/shawls do.
https://www.the2ndhandguide.com/how-to-spot-a-fake-hermes-scarf/
https://realstyle.therealreal.com/hermes-scarf-silk-motif-real-authentic-heritage/
It's still a beautiful scarf. :-)
Oops, "Fluers et papillons de tissus" should read "Fleurs et papillons de tissus." Google was powerful enough to give me some good results despite the slight misspelling.
valentino97, Thanks, but it was pretty easy with the title of the scarf provided. Even slightly misspelled, the Google search engine is so powerful that it provided a large number of samples.
I do think perhaps that I need to go into a bit more detail about the hem for JamesSt95:
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A real, original Hermes scarf will have a hand rolled hem, rolling towards the front (the more vibrant side of the print). The thread for the hem should perfectly match the main colour of the scarf.
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https://eluxemagazine.com/fashion/how-to-spot-a-fake-hermes-scarf/
Yes, the color of the thread in the hem of the scarf in this post matches the color of the fabric very well, but those nearly continuous stitches look almost machine-made, and the hem appears to be like a "baby hem":
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A baby hem is a narrow, double fold hem used primarily on light-weight fabrics like chiffon, voile, or organza. Baby hems are great for ruffles, silk blouses/skirts, silk scarves, ruffles, or sheer curtains. The width of this hem is typically 1/8” – 1/4” and so this hem is not recommended for thick fabrics because the fabric is too bulky to execute such small folds.
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https://i0.wp.com/fashionangelwarrior.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/baby-hem-4-frame.jpg
https://fashionangelwarrior.com/which-types-of-hems-will-work-best-for-my-designs/
The hems on genuine Hermès scarves are hand-rolled and hand-sewn, and the parts of the stitches that are visible aren't continuous like a machine stitch:
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The Bourgoin-Jallieu facility is home to other stages of the manufacturing process. Around 20 “hand-rollers” hem the scarves with silk thread, cleverly negotiating the corners and handling the material’s peculiarities.
The tightness, roundness and uniformity of the rolled hem will be checked a little later during quality control, the final inspection.
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https://assets.hermes.com/is/image/hermesedito/P_11_ODE_A_LA_SOIE_ED013641?fmt=webp&fit=wrap,0&wid=3840&qlt=40
https://www.hermes.com/us/en/story/219516-on-the-hermes-silk-road-engraving/
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The edges of each scarf are rolled by hand and stitched in place by artisans who exclusively sew scarves. It is a very time-consuming process to get the edges perfectly aligned and matched. Due to the painstaking nature of this process, one artisan may only roll the edges of seven scarves in a single day. If a scarf has a machine-stitched edge, an overlock stitch or anything besides a hand-rolled edge, it’s an indicator that the item is counterfeit.
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https://2aud9p3913eycirzdd2nrxov-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/0313_HowToSpotRealHermesScarf_Inpost1.jpg
https://realstyle.therealreal.com/hermes-scarf-silk-motif-real-authentic-heritage/
Well, I think we can all agree that keramikos has gone above and beyond on helping me identify this scarfs autheticity. Thank you very much for being so helpful, and taking the time to research and close this case!
JamesSt95, You're welcome. :-)
I'm sorry that it doesn't seem to be a genuine Hermès scarf, but it's still beautiful.