Posted 3 years ago
freisss
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I found four sets of these demitasse cups/saucers at a thrift store. I have Googled myself silly and can't find that exact pottery mark; I do know that there was a Shaw who supplied dishware for restaurants, etc. but this doesn't look like any of the marks I've seen. The blue flag is from New York Yacht Club in Newport, RI, but I couldn't figure out the red one. I found similar demitasse sets from NYYC but nothing identical. The numbers 5-30 are on three of the cups, and 6-30 is on the fourth. 4-30 is on two saucers, and 7-30 is on the other two. Are these dates? If not, does anyone have a guess as to the time period or any other info? Thanks so much!
Hi, freisss. :-)
I've found quite a few samples of that Shaw pottery mark, but thus far, I haven't found another sample of that exact pattern.
What I did find out about that unidentified red burgee with the two 'points':
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The officers of a yacht club may fly various burgees appropriate to their rank: for example, the commodore may fly a swallow-tailed version of the club burgee (and the vice- and rear-commodores the same, but distinguished by the addition of one or two balls respectively at the canton). A past-commodore may also be given a distinctively-shaped flag.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burgee
So very possibly, that china pattern was made for one particular member of the New York Yacht Club.
About Shaw:
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James M Shaw & Co was founded in 1828 and was a distributor of hotel and restaurant supplies in New York. In 1936 They were purchased by Nathan Straus & Co. [Macy's]
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https://lighthouseantiquestx.com/listing/650357386/vintage-blue-delph-pattern-butter-pat
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The James Shaw Co was a large enough distributor that it actually commissioned various patterns of china from leading china and pottery manufacturers and marketed these commissioned pieces under the James Shaw brand.
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http://www.thepirateslair.com/6-gold-eagle-anchor-dinnerware.html
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The company was based at 25 Duane Street and 78 Chatham Street, New York. They imported a range of pottery makes, including Copeland, Wedgwood, Belleek, Royal Worcester and, of course, Furnivals. They were also contracted to provide fine china dinnerware to the US Navy between the 1890's and the 1930's. In addition, the company commissioned various patterns of china from leading china and pottery manufacturers and marketed these under the James Shaw brand.
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http://furnivals-pottery.weebly.com/alton.html
So probably no newer than 1936.
Perhaps I should clarify. I've found similar Shaw pottery marks in that they have the little sword-bearing, rampant critter in them., e.g.:
https://adirondackgirlatheart.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/this-weeks-vintage-finds-143_delph-pattern-james-m-shaw-nyc-distributor-prior-to-1936-2.jpg
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James M. Shaw, gets a mention. I also discovered that Shaw handled much of the china used on the Titanic
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https://adirondackgirlatheart.com/this-weeks-vintage-finds-143/
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Antique flow blue berry bowl. Marked James M Shaw & Co. New York Made in England. Actual maker unknown but mark has rampant lion with sword atop banner marked Delph. Research indicates Wood and Sons possible maker. Same pattern later made by Wood and distributed by Cooks Hotel and Restaurant Supply Company until the 1970s. Mark on this piece dates it between 1896 and 1936.
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https://www.etsy.com/nz/listing/277050692/antique-delph-flow-blue-soup-berry
Wow! That is some excellent information! I was seeing those other beasties but because the text inside the banner was different, I wasn't sure if I was looking in the right place. I found demitasse cups for NYYC that were similar, but since I saw different flags I assumed that they changed patterns a lot and I was not getting any kind of idea on date: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/york-yacht-club-dinnerware-circa-1900-543541253 . Thanks again!
freisss, You're welcome. :-)
That red, swallow-tailed burgee is bugging me now. A second read of the Wikipedia article makes it sound like the burgee of a commodore should look like the club's burgee, except be swallow-tailed.
However, this 1911 poster shows the burgees of the various NYYC commodores, but to my eye, there is nothing about them that screams NYYC:
https://www.etsy.com/listing/898600048/vintage-american-yacht-club-flags
The closest burgee that I've found thus far is for Jersey City, NJ:
https://www.alamy.com/us-yacht-club-flags-l-z-lynn-manhattan-michigan-neptune-new-haven-oswego-1896-image374680826.html
Have you tried contacting the NYYC?
https://nyyc.org/contact-us
I didn't, but you're right; I should try. In my travels, I found a burgee for Dorchester Yacht Club that was also similar but not the same: https://c8.alamy.com/comp/WHB6H9/list-of-american-yacht-club-flags-from-lloyds-register-1881-early-examples-of-coloured-plates-showing-flags-and-british-and-american-club-burgees-WHB6H9.jpg . Thanks so much for your help, and I will let you know if NYYC has any more info.
freisss, Thank you. :-)