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Posted 11 months ago
Faith.k
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Cloisonne lamp, appears hand painted, but I haven't viewed in person, am picking up tomorrow morning. Was wondering if anyone could give me advice on what to look for regarding age of piece, it's not marked. Just hoping I am not getting a new one from Ali express, lol! Update: it's mine now, and looks amazing in person! Sadly it didn't include the stand, but for under 40 dollars, I'm not too sad!
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Love the lamp and stand !~
Really gorgeous Asian lamp, great find
got no knowledge of this, and it is strange
they try to imitate an elephant handle porcelain floral bulbous moon flask vase in a seldom shape, because the neck of the vase is slightly curviliniair
the top border is an meander border (=greek border)
and the yellow part in the neck possibly defines an qianlong floral design
below the cobalt blue part art likely 5 bourgondy stylised ruyi heads ? so salled decapited ruyi heads ( the upper part of a scepter without a stem)
the border on the bottom of the vase are probably the (in)famous traffic light borders
normally these vases ought to be made around 1920, when it was an hype to convert it to a lamp ( not good for value), personnaly i think it is later PROC period
well it aint that bad , strange tonality combination (cobalt bourgondy) bit over the top sort of fantasy combination , no sweat
Thank you everyone for the appreciation, love and comments! I tend to think it's probably 1970s- ish, but I definitely feel that it is an odd conglomerative of several different styles, perhaps made in India? Apostada, thank you as usual for your Insight and input, very much appreciated and valued. I think it's probably not a great risk as it's only $35 and would be kind of a fun piece just because it's a bit different.
Lot 103. A fine and rare famille-rose elephant-handled vase, zun, seal mark and period of Jiaqing (1796-1820). Estimate 4,000,000 — 6,000,000 HKD. Photo: Sotheby's.
Alain R Truong on Sothesby
In China, the elephant is a symbol of strength and wisdom. Buddha is often portrayed as an elephant, and his mother is believed to have had dreams of an elephant before his birth
see truong also meander border and decapitated ruyi head, see also under the trunk the elephant, for the insiders notice the endless knot symbol
The endless knot iconography symbolised Samsara i.e., the endless cycle of suffering of birth, death and rebirth within Tibetan Buddhism. The inter-twining of wisdom and compassion.
addendum under the trunk of the elephant is also the central floral see your vase
Apostate, your information is so helpful, I keep falling down the rabbit hole and it's been difficult to grab any real answers online so far. I thought maybe a 1970ish reproduction, but if it is they didn't make many, as I cannot locate anything exactly or near to, except for one, and it won't allow me to read article without paying them, which I try to avoid as I am on a fixed income, which isn't very well fixed, unfortunately, haha! Am getting ready to update photos since I have it at home now.
Crap, forgot to adapt photos, will fix asap. Wanted to add measurements, it's approximate 14" tall, ceramic vessel only, not lamp parts or base, and 26" around at the widest point, and 6" depth.
Does anyone know if it's possible to get a piece like this restored to the original vase, and if so, who would I even see about the restoration? Thanks in advance for any information!
well i can,t pinpoint to an window of 10 years, probably no one can ( 1960-1970)
don,t make an Jesus out of me , because i make of lot of mistakes
actually i start to like it, the light blue part is quite dense, actually we got some slight elevation due to the density, they stayed between the lines , seem an childish criterium but it is,not
the interference is not troublesom ( the head of the flowers overpaint in comparison to the swirling of the leaves)
we got a tonality difference of the green colour of the twigs , so it was IMO not made what i call the easy way out, otherwise it is monocolour green
i think you should be satisfied with yourself, probably we have to upgrade the vase a little , but who am i
question 2 you only restore expensive vases, actually , and to get everybody down to earthy , in the business a vase with a value of 2000 euro is just peanuts , so you better take care, good restoring is expensive
information question 1 A
well there is a lot of information, depense on your perseverence to get it
you can take the sold actions at Ebay, although 90 percent are fake
you can take Asian art forum, subscription was free, but i don,t know nowadays
you can take Catawiki, there is a free account
and you have to stop buying chinese art which is stamped
and you have to stop possible hoarding
and am i harsh to you , no i am not, because we are in this all the way , no sweat
Agreed on all points, especially the hoarding! Have been doing a purge of my things, it's a process, and can be painful. Do you think that I should unscrew the base, and see if there's any marking underneath? I'm definitely curious! This piece is pretty unique from what I can tell, will check out ebay sold and see what I can find out, maybe get a free appraisal somewhere too. Thanks for your valuable time and knowledge! I am so unlearned, and have a long way to go
leave it this way , an possible visible drilling hole is always bad for value
you never drill porcelain , is a basic rule
So at the end of the day, was this a good buying decision, in your opinion? I am going to downsize some of the less interesting things I've acquired in the last few years, and am grateful for your input. Is it really around practice to not buy any asian pieces that are marked, or does that refer to chinese only in this scenario? Am asking because I thought some of the ones from the last century (early) could be worthwhile to collect? Most of my things were bought because they were beautiful to me, however, I realize that is not the best policy for a serious collector, which I am not yet, but hope to be some day.
question 1 IMO this is an decent buy , you probably break even or slightly better that,s not bad for an rooky
question 2 Is it really around practice to not buy any asian pieces that are marked, or does that refer to chinese only in this scenario
it is hard to give an overall advise, because you probably has some problems to see the difference between chinese pinyin and japanese kanji
personnaly in your case you should stay out of japanase porcelain, because when you got a mishit in chinese porcelain , you got some intrinsic value and in japanese porcelain it is harder to break even, but that won,t answer the question
we need a sort of shutout to do damage control, so stick to chinese , don,t do hoarding , not even for smallest amounts , because a lot of small amounts makes a considerate accumulative amount
the other shut out is the way of marking you need and thats ABSOLUTELY MANDATORY a painted marking ( as a general rule , we ignore the exceptions for now)
an other advice is, which i learned as a basket case hahaha , you never buy stuff for instant gratification, so as a compensation for a sad state of mind or the state of mind, that you have earned it, because at the end your wallet is the judge of that
well it is not the best answer, because technically there is circular reasoning in it , but you have to do with it
Thank you Apostata, you have given me a lot to think about! I guess if my lamp is only worth thirty-five dollars that is fine, I genuinely enjoy the somewhat boho bright colors, not my usual decor, which makes it refreshing. Do you know if we are recommended to delete posts of items we no longer have? I am unsure, so thought you'd know this.
why should we get recommended to get posts deleted, they probably run an main frame we are not in the stone age anymore, so likely the amount of content is easy to handle
as far as i know you only have to avoid serious beef on the site,
I would say to not delete posts as they can help other researchers.
Thanks to both Apostata and kwqd for replying to me query. I think it's great to keep them up regardless of changes in ownership, so much helpful information would be inaccessible to many people otherwise. I was just making sure what the etiquette was for posters here on C.W, as I have gifted some and felt unsure. Sometimes I just think too much, haha!