Posted 12 years ago
mikelv85
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I found this 9 1/2" Japanese porcelain Arita ware "Imari" dish at Goodwill yesterday and it sure looks authentic. It's more of a shallow bowl than a plate. I've been reading up and it seems to meet all the criteria. It has rust spots, a bit warped, the rougher texture in the clay, the glaze pits and misses. Then again maybe it's got too many of the "hallmarks" of old porcelain. It could be a reproduction or an out right fake. I don't know, but it is beautiful and was inexpensive. Most of the gilt is missing from the edge except for a smidge left in one of the the scallops. There is a small 1/4" chip to the edge as well but it's on the back side and not visible from the front. No cracks though and it has the most beautiful long resonant ring when you tap it. Any Asian antique experts out there ?? -Mike-
Imari History From Wikipedia:
Imari porcelain is the name for Japanese porcelain wares made in the town of Arita, in the former Hizen Province, northwestern Kyoshi. They were exported to Europe extensively from the port of Imari, Saga, between the second half of the 17th century and the first half of the 18th century. The Japanese as well as Europeans called them Imari. In Japanese, these porcelains are also known as Arita-yaki . Imari or Arita porcelain has been produced continuously until the present date.
Though there are many types of Imaris, Westerners conception of Imari in popular sense has association with only a type of Imari produced and exported in large quantity in mid-17th century. The type is called Kinrande. Kinrande Imari is colored porcelain with underglaze cobalt blue and overglaze red and gold. The color combination was not seen in China at that time. Traditional Ming dynasty color porcelain used dominantly red and green, probably due to scarcity of gold in China, whereas gold was abundant in Japan in those days. The subject matter of Imari is diverse, ranging from foliage and flowers to people, scenery and abstractions. Some Imari design structures such as kraakstyle were adopted from China, but most designs were uniquely Japanese owing to the rich Japanese tradition of paintings and costume design. The porcelain has a gritty texture on the bases, where it is not covered by glaze. There is also blue and white Imari. Kakiemon style Imari is another type of Imari, but it tends to be categorized separately in Europe.
Beautiful. Lots of detail.
Thanks nldionne :)
very wonderful. although the one huge rust spot is a little suspicious. can you see brush strokes under high magnification? I don't know much about this either....
Well, BHock45 It looks almost like watercolor sort of transparent, darker in some areas lighter in others as though it was being flowed on by a brush and hesitating. The design also has some relief to it like it's thicker in some spots. The gold appears to be more on top than under the glaze. The big rust spot does stand out . It has a white pit in the middle and bleeds out into the porcelain. There are several rust marks on the back that are tiny specks of black /brown and a few air bubbles and glaze misses. It's either a very good repo/fake or the real deal...lol
In the fourth picture is it scooped like a hollow as I was thinking from the picture it may have been a bleeding dish which they did way back for many different reasons
No, the whole piece is more like a shallow bowl. The sides curve up about and inch or so.
That's high praise indeed Phil. I know you have some of the most beautiful things I've ever seen and would know the difference between real and fake. So you do think it is real then. Now I'm really excited ! :)
Thanks idcloisonne ....I had shown these to Lark Mason before I sent my bowl to auction and he said they were late 19th early 20th century but they wouldn't bring very much at auction maybe a couple of hundred at most. So I just packed them away for safe keeping.
cute this is for sure real , mono color garlands must be somewhere 1880 this won,t do 200 euro unfortunately
VERY nice plate!
don,t do it the difficult way well count the colours it are at least 5 , light green and GOLD !!!!!gold included ( the foreign colours ) bourgondy unless Sandra refutes it,s typicall around 1870, i think, by the way Mikelven is alway rights , he is downgtading , his skill and there is absolutelijke no reason for, the plate is only a bit rudimentary