Posted 3 years ago
Luvbookie1
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Asian Japanese punch bowl beautiful details. I bought this at a thrift store, I’m so curious about this as I can’t seem to find any info online. It looks like it has gold leaf details and it’s so interesting to study. Anyone know anything about this? This is a large punch bowl.
A pic of thee base would be helpful. I suspect it is modern. But you never know.
I just took a photo of the base - there are no markings. It probably is modern - but is there any value in this? How does one know?
French and Dutch flags. Very unusual for Far East porcelain unless made for export.
Union Jack flag, too.
Good points! I did see online some antique place is selling what looks to be the same item at $650
Here’s the one I saw online -
I’ll add it to my photos
Professional help needed because those export bowls with flags of western countries are widely reproduced in China and sold as such:
Description: Reproduction Chinese Export porcelain Hong bowl
21st century; modeled after legendary original bowl with paintings of foreign trade centers, American ship in interior, 7 in. H., 18 in. Diam.
A punch bowl is a misnomer isn't it?
Ha! I just repeated what I saw online next to a photo of what appears to the be the same item in question.
Luvbookie1, Beautiful. :-)
Here's one in the Smithsonian:
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This large Chinese export bowl features a panoramic view of the hongs—the office, warehouse, and living spaces for foreign merchants in Canton, China, in the late 18th century. There European and American merchants traded with their Chinese counterparts for highly desirable teas, silks, and porcelains. The presence of the Stars and Stripes outside the American factory suggests that the bowl was made in or after 1785, following America’s entry into direct trade with China in 1784. (Note that the Chinese artist painted the stars in blue on the white porcelain background, probably for technical reasons rather than in error.) The flags of France, Britain, Spain, Denmark, and Sweden also can be seen outside their respective factories. Punch bowls depicting the hongs were exotic souvenir items, brought back to America by the East Coast entrepreneurs who sailed to China as independent merchants, thereby breaking dependence on the British East India Company to provide the former colonies with tea and other luxury goods.
The Chinese produced bowls like this in the town of Jingdezhen in southern China specifically for the western market. Undecorated, they were carried five hundred miles overland to Canton, where enamel decoration was applied in workshops close to the hongs. On completion a large bowl like this was packed in a crate with several others and dispatched through the hongs. All goods for export were ferried in the small boats seen painted on this bowl, to the deep-water port of Whampoa farther down the Pearl River.
A large bowl of this kind would have been used to serve punch. The word “punch” is thought to derive from the Hindu word “pànch,” meaning “five”—for the number of ingredients used to make the brew.The custom of drinking punch reached the West through the East India trade. Punch bowls became indispensable at convivial male gatherings in the clubs, societies, and private homes of the port cities on the American East Coast in the late 18th century.
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https://americanhistory.si.edu/collections/search/object/nmah_587576
Very nice! Even as a reproduction of the original - it still is very striking and I find myself looking at all the details. It is unusual though, given the time period of when this was produced, that there isn’t more of it online. Besides for that one that is on sale for $650
i don,t trust this
Large Chinese Export Porcelain Famille Rose Punch Bowl /Hunting Scene Designs/Maybe 18th 19th Century see mikelven , this is a real one , his is made around 1780 ( jiaging influence ) value difference is almost 4 figures
Incredible!!
the one from mikelven is real, yours is not
Amazing, I saw his, so pretty, I wonder if he ever sold his.
Great research keramikos - thank you for always being so thorough.
strange there is an awfull lot of information about this , place , flags, fluidum . glazing, style , value , etc , and just copie- paste ?
Chinese porcelain cannot be judged based on eBay descriptions and images.
As I said, a reliable expertise is needed.
Where can an expert be found?
its cute and leave it to that, don,t hurt yourself
Hahahaha, noted.