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    Posted 2 years ago

    cerqueuxles
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    An exquisite hand beaded on wire belt with sterling silver etched buckles.
    30 inches long by 3 inches wide.
    I collected this in the 1970's for a fashion photo shoot.
    I cannot remember the designer, and have not been able to find any existing info on it.
    The belt will need a hairpin shaped piece of metal to slide between the silver buckles to close it.

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    1. keramikos, 2 years ago
      cerqueuxles, Beautiful. :-)

      A cotter pin would probably do the trick, e.g.:

      https://www.intafast.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Cotter_pin_specs.pdf
    2. cerqueuxles, 2 years ago
      Hi Keramikos,
      Thank you so much for the info! It is probably the name of the pin that came with it...which I can't seem to find. Wow! So geat!
    3. Watchsearcher Watchsearcher, 2 years ago
      Wouldn’t a cotter pin make it very difficult to put on/take off?
    4. cerqueuxles, 2 years ago
      I'm not sure.
      I know it came with something like a cotter pin...but it was probably hand made.
    5. keramikos, 2 years ago
      Watchsearcher, It's a fair question. :-)

      To my mind, a specialized cotter pin might work. That is, one with some kind of little decorative doodad at the top might make it easier to manipulate.

      The metal of the pin was a question in my mind. I would think sterling silver would be too malleable, so maybe silver-plated steel or some other sturdier metal.
    6. Watchsearcher Watchsearcher, 2 years ago
      The hairpin shaped metal piece sounds easy to manipulate.
    7. keramikos, 2 years ago
      Watchsearcher, Maybe we're getting bogged down in semantics.

      I suspect we're talking about the same general thing, which is essentially a piece of cylindrical wire bent in half to form a narrow U-shape.

      Both hairpins -- and cotter pins can look like that. They can also have a more closed shape, and even have some crimps, like the bobby pin (a variety of hair pin).

      I'm talking about the more open, crimpless shape.
    8. Watchsearcher Watchsearcher, 2 years ago
      Sorry for not getting it initially….my experience with cotter pins has been with the type whose prongs are meant to be forcibly bent open once they are in place so they cannot be easily removed.
      I couldn’t imagine going to that kind of trouble for a belt. ;^)
      But, now considering a cotter pin sans the “bendy” ends! Shaped like a Bobby pin….that would work!
      Im on track with you now. :^)
    9. keramikos, 2 years ago
      Watchsearcher, No problem. :-)

      I actually used a couple of short cotter pins as hinge pins to hold together a vintage bracelet. In this case, the slight springy-ness of the cotter pins worked to keep them in the hinge holes.

      As it turns out, there are plenty of modern fashion hair pins out there that might serve as an acceptable replacement for the missing finding on the beaded belt. e.g.:

      https://blueheronhairjewelry.com/collections/luxury-hair-pins-gold-silver-and-rose-gold-hair-pins/products/sterling-silver-hair-pin-gold-hair-pin-minimalist-hair-pins-modern-metal-hair-pins-long-hair-accessories-long-hair-jewelry

    10. Watchsearcher Watchsearcher, 2 years ago
      Another thought I had about the belt is that it looks Native American/Indigenous People’s style (and I’m certainly amateurish in my knowledge level). I think, if from those people, it might have been secured with a cord or thin leather tie.
    11. cerqueuxles, 2 years ago
      Thank you Watchsearcher, I sent the photos to a few Native American dealers, and they didn't recognize it.
    12. CanyonRoad, 2 years ago
      It's more likely that it is African. The Zulu, for example, make beaded belts that are often mistakenly identified as Native American Indian.

      The colors used, the designs, and the beading technique itself (consisting of beaded coiled bands) all are more indicative of an African, rather than Native American, beaded belt.
    13. yougottahavestuff yougottahavestuff, 1 year ago
      Here it is
      Stuff
    14. keramikos, 1 year ago
      Just linking these two related posts:

      https://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/315802-hand-beaded-wired-belt
    15. lynnmarrapodi, 1 year ago
      Thank you all so much...this info is really helpful. I will check on Zulu motifs!
    16. cerqueuxles, 1 year ago
      Update!
      Mystery Solved! This is an African ZULU Umutsha Beaded Belt.
    17. keramikos, 1 year ago
      cerqueuxles, Cool. :-)

      Could you please mark your post as "MYSTERY SOLVED?"

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