Posted 14 years ago
Savoychina1
(650 items)
I welcome ANY information on this subject. Savoy China. No known books, magazines, or manufacturer. There are quite a number of them out there as you can see.I think 13 is the most color variations I have for one vase. Imagine if there are that many for all of them!
The first two pictures are part of my collection. The third picture I could use your help with. In many examples that I have, the "weeping gold" example is smaller than the "splatter" example. Is there a reason for this? Were the molds changed? My general understanding is that the weeping gold was earlier and when it became too expensive they went to the splatter or in some cases the brushed look.
The fourth picture adds another puzzle. The vase is Savoy China but the lamp is Deena China. I have some 50 lamps that are identical to their Savoy counterparts except they are molded to be lamps (not just vases capped with metal fittings). Deena China, Deena Artware, Deena Products, again no books, no catalogues...
You can see why I need your help ! Thanks !
Wow! What a dramatic display! I wish I had some info to tell you about Savoy China. What a mystery. Hope someone else stops by here and tells us all about it.
This is a "BEAUTIFUL" collection!! I only have one of them. It is the splattered
24 kt. gold square bottom vase with a handle on the side. Is my one piece worth anything? If so...how much? Thank-You :)
Thank you ! I have seen these pieces listed from $10 to $200. See my next entry.
The Ohio River Potteries & other companies working at the same time often produced items from the same or molds (they were all rather "inbred"), but then other companies would buy them decorate them. I wonder if Savoy & the other ones are not "manufacturers" but "decorators".
I understand what you are saying. If Savoy was just a decorater you would think that the company that manufactured them would also decorate them in their typical fashion. I have foumnd no evidence of this. I do know that Deena China had a plant in Arlington and Paducah KY. Could they have also produced Savoy ? Perhaps. I am looking for "proof". Thanks for your input.
Stumbled across your website, I have several pieces of Weeping Bright Gold, stamped on the bottom: Hand Decorated, 22 K Gold U.S.A., Weeping Bright Gold.
I have 4 pieces, each in the shape of a different leaf and one piece shaped like a sea shell. Do you have any information of how old these pieces are and what company made these? Any information would be helpful.
I have the pink version of the black lamp in the fourth picture. It is in perfect condition, and has the sticker marking it as Deena China...my aunt gave it to me!
I have a 8" square weeping 24ct gold footed dish? Black inside. Planter? Not sure what it is but haven't been able to find anything like it. Anybody have any info on it?
Pam, can you put up a picture?
the 24kt gold on the savoy china pitchers .. is it pure or plated
pure, 24kt gold
I have the pink vase shown above. Also Matching ashtray? in shape of leaf -- anyone seen these? 24 K Gold Savoy China label. How do I find a value?
Dixie, do you have just the leaf or the whole thing with the stand included? There was one on ebay out of canada but the postage was way more than the ashtray. One sold recently in charlotte,nc for $60.00.(for ashtray) Vases are all over the map. There are two vases listed on ebay in the $45 range and yet another person listing two identical vases in a different color wants $360.00 !!!
So you know what I'm talking about! Yes, I have the stand that goes with it. Thank you very much for the info.
This is just incredible ! How did you get started with this collection, is this American , possibly from California ?
Yes, it's made in the USA. My Gram got me started and well you see the result (or at least part of it). Nothing else is known about Savoy...no books at all!
I have a few pieces of Savoy 24K gold china, in my parents' estate which I'm handling. Anyone know how much (if any) actual gold is in the glaze? I'm just beginning to try a little research on this stuff.
I am sure there is a mathematical formula, in fact check with guy, http://acdwyer.com/default.aspx and just ask, I know he knows. The gold on Savoy is, in fact, pure, 24KT gold. However, even at todays prices don't expect to get rich. Hey, Take some pictures and show us!
Thanks, Sav. I'm more interested in whether the pieces are worth looking for a collector to sell to than in recovering the gold. The collectible value is presumably higher than the value of the gold. In fact I did take some pics, but don't see how to post a pic here. Can you tell me? Thanks!
Sure. Click "add an item now". If you are not registered it may ask you to...it is relatively painless and free! Then add your item(s). Pick a catchy title like BEST POTTERY IN THE WORLD. Click "choose images" and pick your best picture, (this is the one every one will see first). You can submit up to four pictures but you have to hit "choose images" each time. Write a little blurb and tah dah... Looking forward to seeing them.
Thanks, Sav. I just did exactly what you said, and registered as "Skruffy". I'm not sure where it'll pop up - was hoping there was a way to post here on this thread. I also will be trying to figure out how old an antique doll is... and some red glassware. Interesting site -- I shall explore some more. Thanks for the welcome & help!
Hi Everybody! Wow, It is so hard to find information on "Weeping Gold" it took me three days just to find out what it was called. I have acquired a fairly large piece, it is a decorative cradle telephone. I don't know if it's a candy dish, jewelry holder, planter or just what it is. It says made in USA 24kt Gold! Any info?
Hey, Robin, The piece you have is made by the Cameron Clay Works in Cameron West Virginia. I actually have one listed if you glance through...
does it look like this...
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/1438-phone-phun?in=user
I have a vase like the one in the left picture, third shelf from the top, 14th from the right end. What sort of value could I put on it?
Typically these are on ebay for $10 to $40 dollars. No rhyme or reason to it.
I have a piece of Savoy China from my Mom as well. I found a website to answer everyone's questions :) Birks Rawlins & Company used Savoy China as a trade name. I found this info on Carlton China website. I haven't found anywhere that any of this china is worth much more than maybe $50 depending on the condition.
Birks Rawlins and Carlton are English potteries and have nothing to do with what I collect. This pottery is made in the USA according to paper labels that can still be found on some pieces.
I actually have a piece of this. It was something I kept of my Grandmothers when she died. It has a Swan body bowl and the neck is the handle. It is completely gold. Interested? I can take a picture if you are.
Would love to see a picture.
I have a black Savoy 24 karat gold vase. Ive been looking for the worth but i cant find anything, not even a picture of it. Its Brod at the base and gets smaller to the top. It is solid black except for six long gold spear head designs. Sticker says "savoy china hand decorated 24 karat gold made in USA"
It sounds like this one listed on ebay...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160605987421&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
MYSTERY SOLVED ! MYSTERY SOLVED !
It seems appropriate that I should share this magic moment with my friends here on Collectors Weekly. For over twenty years I have offered any Dealer I happened across $100 just for telling me who made Savoy China. No one could. The more I collected the more amazed I was that there was no record of who made these pieces. I began to collect Deena lamps that matched my Savoy vases. Then I found a post card that had a Deena lamp AND Savoy vases.
In researching Deena China( which is what the label on the lamps says) I found that the parent Company was Deena Products of Chicago, Ill. They had plants in Arlington, KY; Paducah, KY; and Wickliffe, KY. Deena Products had subsidiaries of Deena Artware, Deena of Arlington, Sippi Products (from MissisSIPPI), and Industrial Realty Company.
Today, in a random search, I came across Hockers of Arlington. They have been in Arlington since the late 1800's so I figured that they would remember a Pottery plant. Well Robert, at Hockers suggested that I call Bobby Mcgee who had been a plant Manager there. Bobby Mcgee, who has a Car business now, said I should call Bertha Davis. Bertha is my new best friend. Bertha graduated High School in 1957. After attending Junior College (remember those) in Paducah, KY she went to work as the Owners secretary. She left there in 1985 after twenty five years of service as Plant Co-Manager.
I told her what I was looking for and emailed her some pictures. She verified that the Savoy vases were made at the Wickliffe and the Paducah plants. OMG ! It's that simple ! I finally have my answer!
The journey isn't quite over. It's like being adopted and finding out who your biological parents are. Knowing is one thing but there is still a lot of catching up to do !
So for all of you pottery buffs out there, IT'S OFFICIAL...SAVOY CHINA WAS MADE IN WICKLIFFE AND PADUCAH, KENTUCKY ! ! !
Hi,
I recently was given two Savoy vases like the one's in the 2nd photo at the top of this website: from the lefthand side, 2nd shelf, 3rd one in (gold with gold dripping). They both have the foil Savoy label that says "Hand Decorated, 24 karat gold". They were given as a gift to my stepmother who kept them on a shelf for years. (Nothing was ever planted or put in them.) Question: Is it unusual to have two? I can't tell from the web sites I have visited if they are somewhat valuable, or not. They are very interesting looking though. Thanks!
Val, It is not unusual to have two.Many people like to "balance" their decorating...two end tables, two lamps, two vases.
You can find them on ebay from $10 to $40. Once in a while some one goes goofy and asks $210 !
The beauty of what you have is this...One vase is, well, one vase, but two IS A COLLECTION! Congratulations on being a collector of Savoy China. :)
Thank you for answering my questions regarding my two Savoy vases. I've decided to display them alongside my other art objects and paintings and keep an eye out for more when I'm cruising the antique stores. (I meant to answer sooner, but I was busy moving bushes and plants in the yard and raking leaves - my other hobby!) Best wishes! Val
I've been doing as much research as I can on my two identical Deena China 24kt Gold Hand Decorated lamps with beautiful matching lamp shades, I thnk the lamp shades might be the originals. I've been searching for information for months, with no luck! Until I came across this page in my research! I'm so glad you were able to contact the ex Co-Manager! I'm still wondering, when did the Deena company open? And would love to find out which items were made in which year. I'm thinking my two identical lamps were made between 1940-1960. But I'm so curious to know the exact year!! Keep posting if you find out any more information! :)
Tiffany, check out my new Facebook page, "Deena Products".
Deena Lamps was founded by George Weiner of Chicago, Illinois. George came to this country from Romania at the age of 6 with his mother. He was forced to drop out of school by 8th grade in order to support her. He started the lamp business during the Great Depression by selling lamps out of his car. Said car was also his home. He went on to build what was at one time America's largest lamp manufacturing company-- A true American success story. George named the company after his first wife, Deena, who later passed away of ovarian/uterine cancer. George was a remarkable man who overcame many hardships to bless many lives. Although he did employ some remarkably talented designers and artists, many of the lamp designs were his own. Everyone addressed him as Mr. Weiner, with great respect. I knew him as "Papa". I am thrilled that so many people are coming to appreciate his work again, and to see that his legacy lives on.
katie3235, Thank you for sharing that information. PLEASE visit Deena Products on Facebook so we can learn more.
I found a small savoy bowl 24k sticker still on inside. In your collection picture it just to the left of the light. Can you tell me about it?
There is/was an English Savoy China which well may have had a book written about it.
Love it.............I think I have some pieces here....will have to post in a few days...
My grandmother who died in 1983 had a Deena Lamp, black with gold streaks, on her living room library table when she broke up housekeeping. My grandmother lived in St. Louis during the 40's. My mother liked the name so much she named one of her children for the company. It's nice to see that the company name was actually a woman's name,
The vase in the third picture has that WEEPING GOLD texture like the little lead dish I just posted. I love those !!!
******* Whooooops, meant to say LEAF dish, not lead dish.
I have a green cornucopia vase with a 24 K gold floral design on the front, the bottom is stamped 24 K gold made in USA. I don't have a glue who made this and cannot find another one like it on the internet. Does anyone have any idea who made this?
Hi Savoy, I am impressed with your collection. I have a completed gold-dipped vase 12" tall and a handbell. The sticker is not on. What is the other way to find the resale value of this vase and handbell? Appreciate your help.